by fulltimestudent 33 Replies latest social current
"same mould"
While we're distinguishing, I would add there should be a difference in
regard for conservative and liberal Abrahamic religion regarding misinformation,
harm, separation of church and state, and human rights. The main harm has come
from 'centric intolerance by those who believe or don't believe.
Controversy over drone use
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix
Wonder how many innocent Canadians or UK people have been killed by mistake by those who hate innocent Americans who have no control over what innocent people are killed by drone strikes?
AlphaMan-The governments of the UK and Canada have not asked for the USA for a JOINT mission to conduct warfare on their own people. So your arguement is moot. The Yemeni government cannot control the factions within its own borders, it is working to squelch insurrections and religious violence, muslim against muslim. Pakistan eagerly takes billions of dollars a year from the USA. It would be wonderful to stop drone strikes against innocent civilians and at the same time yank the dollars, taken out of millions of hardworking Americans paychecks, and let that country attempt to feed itself, fend off al-Quaida who has shown what they think of 1/2 of their population like shooting young schoolgirls in the head to shut them up and keep them uneducated, and deal with disasters like earthquakes on their own. Please don't call the USA, we have decided to keep our money home, our volunteers safe and ignore everyone else...The USA would be screamed at if they did that, there is simply no pleasing all the people, all of the time.
So you are suggesting that approximately 350M people in the US are responsible for this? Believe it or not not, many people in the US are not. I certainly would not hate a nation of over 350M people for it. I know who are responsible.
So you think every person on this board from the US deserves to be hated for this?
Didn't "we" invade countries based on the actions of a few individuals?
At what point do you stop blaming the people immediately responsible and start blaming the population?
The claims we make about democracy makes us more accountable for the actions of our governments than people who's government is forced upon them - sometimes dictators acting on behalf of western powers which is what really causes the long-term underlying resentment.
This article indicates that this drone attack was a JOINT effort BETWEEN the Yemeni Government AND the USA. JOINT, as in sanctioned, by the government of the people in Yemen. Does this mean the Yemenis hate themselves?
Really? How much power do you think the Yemen government brings to that "partnership"? You think they get to say "no" and veto anything?
That is part of the issue - the governments in these places become puppets being controlled (or bought) rather than really representing their own people.
AlphaMan-The governments of the UK and Canada have not asked for the USA for a JOINT mission to conduct warfare on their own people. So your arguement is moot.
PaintedToeNail......you missed my point completely. Yes, 13 people were mistakenly killed by a drone strike, but it doesn't justify hatred of Americans. Many Canadian & UK people have mistakenly been killed by people out for revenge simply because they "looked" like Americans. My point is innocents killed by drone strikes are wrong, and also group hatred of Americans who have no connection to any of this is wrong.
Simon-Yes I do, in this instance, believe they want the help of the USA to prevent their government from being overthrown.
Simon-Yes I do, in this instance, believe they want the help of the USA to prevent their government from being overthrown.
Exactly, so the US government is standing in the way of people chosing their own government. That doesn't sound like democracy or the grand ideals we hear so much about. I guess idealism is the first thing sacrificed on the alter of war.
It's things like that which cause the resentment - propping up despicable regimes based on idiotic ideologies or simplistic thinking (or typically, money to be made).
Yes, 13 people were mistakenly killed by a drone strike, but it doesn't justify hatred of Americans. Many Canadian & UK people have mistakenly been killed by people out for revenge simply because they "looked" like Americans. My point is innocents killed by drone strikes are wrong, and also group hatred of Americans who have no connection to any of this is wrong.
So, wouldn't hatred of muslims / Afghans / Iraqi's et al also be wrong and unjustified because some were killed by terrorists?
Slapping the "mistakenly" on there is disengenuous. No one is killed "by mistake". Launching a drone strike is a very deliberate act.
It's more a complete lack of care and thoroughness and unaccountability. Killing on the mistaken belief that it makes us safer when the evidence is that it simply keep the arms industry profits up and breeds resentment.
Any argument that justifies us killing innocent people can be turned to justify their killing of our innocent people. Isn't that simply justifying terrorism? Hard to imagine more terror than death coming down invisibly from the sky in the form of a drone strike.
Imagine how paralysed the US would people had to live with that fear day in, day out.
As an American you can not lump a whole group based on the actions of a few people. I myelf do not agree with drone attacks and I am appalled at this course of action.
This is the 60th anniversay of the overthrow of Iran's leader Mosaddeq, 1953, by the CIA (who finally admitted it). You wonder if Ike Eisenhower was in on it or had his hands tied. I get similar feelings about these Drone strikes and our bifercated government.
