oh dear I think I messed up and pushed too hard

by Frazzled UBM 57 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • ruderedhead
    ruderedhead

    Sounds like you are a man that usually thinks thing through.

    Hmmm, you say that she has old friends from the Phillipines in her current congregation, giving her a sense of community. Are there any any Fillipino organizations in the community you could join with her to help her develop a new sense of community & help the kids identify a bit more with Mom's heritage?? Don't know if she would be open to that, but it might be worth a shot. All the best to you, crazy. Keep up the good fight, and Merry Christmas!

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    My wife told me, " I will not live with an apostate!" That was a threat issued out of fear and ignorance. I walked out of the room and came back with a WT article about having "private" beliefs, a BOE letter confirming the WTBTS teaching, and transcripts from the Walsh trial. I told her, " According to the WTBTS, I am already an apostate because I disagree with something in the WT. Guess what? I knew there was not FDS "class" years ago, and I knew that all Christians were domestics. So I have been an "apostate" for years. According to this [ I read from the trial] I deserve death." Then I read a WT article condemning anyone who said that there was no FDS "class" in the past. I asked ," Those people were right. Some were df'd for apostasy. Now you have to believe what they were df'd for saying, or YOU will be df'd. Now what?!" ........

    She still loves me. She even defended me when an Elder tried to coerce her into giving him some dirt. At the time of the initial conversation it was very heated, and emotional. Still, I spoke the truth, and gave the facts. I said what needed to be said. My situation at home is not perfect, but I don't cower in my own house. I also feel that I MUST speak the truth when the opportunity arises. I just work at not beating peole over the head with TTATT.

    DD

  • adamah
    adamah

    Frazzled UBM said-

    I think the thing about taking my son back to the Philipines was an empty threat and I quickly put the passports in safe keeping (but did not move the money out of the joint account she has acces to - even though I was tempted to do so).

    She's a Filapina? None of my business, of course, but this wasn't a relationship/marriage arranged over the internet by any chance, was it? It was a cliche for military members in the 1970's to get orders to the P.I. (Philipine Islands), and get a "house-girl" (someone to clean the house as a live-in, who's services could be bought for some incredibly low amount). The girls often married the G.I.'s and thus bought a winning lottery ticket to gain entry to the big BX/PX in America as the wife of a American G.I., marrying him NOT out of love, but to get access to the States and his money (they were viewed as MILLIONAIRES, compared to the typical citizen there). The typical story is they would try to get their families in the PI in the States, serving as their sponsors. Rarely was the marriage admitted to be what it often was.

    There's a member on JWN who never was a JW (an ex-cop, IIRC; I can't recall his user name, though) who learned the hard way that getting involved with someone raised in a third-world country over the internet is fraught with peril, after she had an affair and divorced him; the differential in power and control is simply too great for many couples to overcome, where some males think they're buying a wife/concubine.

    BTW, that whole bit about putting their passports "for safekeeping" suggests a willingness to control her that makes JW control measures seem tame in comparison? Did I read that correctly?

    Adam

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    I have sent flowers and am demonstrating contrition. I have to try harder to resist the urge to unload -F UBM

    This is good to hear. Nice move, secondly what you say about Steve Hassan is a good point. When we always think logically we can do and say the right things. When a man gets too emotional and brings his wife to tears, Steve Hassan has no remedy. Your frustrations are understandable. You are concerned your son will be taken from you.

    This is all emotionally taxing for anyone. Men don't do emotions well, logic and solutions is what men are. What's done is done, if they go to the Phillipines be ready to follow and share custody 3 nights a week and every other Saturday and half of all holidays. Yes the will be a laguage barrier, but my brother lives in Nah Trang, Vietnam and has a business, it can be done. Plan ahead.

    For now flowers and apologies will serve you well. Keep up the good work, well all mess up. Kate xx

  • Frazzled UBM
    Frazzled UBM

    Adamah - 'She's a Filapina? None of my business, of course, but this wasn't a relationship/marriage arranged over the internet by any chance, was it?' Nice comment. Talk about racial stereo-typing. No we met socially in Hong Kong. It is amazing how often I have to put up with these narrow-minded comments. As for your allegation of being controlling for taking the passports - What would you do when faced with the threat of coming home to find your wife had absconded with your child and all the difficulty involved in having to try for child custody if that happened. If she makes the threat, what I am supposed to do? I see it as being prudent. It is not an option to follow and live in the Philippines - what I do for a living I cannot do there.

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    It is not an option to follow and live in the Philippines - what I do for a living I cannot do there.-F UBM

    That's a shame, happily my brothers business in an international trade and tourists are his main clients. You seem frazzled, I think what you did was prudent too. I disagree with Adam on this occaision, he can be a challenge to read sometimes.

    Take care love Kate xx

  • Frazzled UBM
    Frazzled UBM

    Adamah was out of line with his mail order bride comment WTF

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    Adamah was out of line with his mail order bride comment WTF-F,UBM

    I whloeheartedly agree he certainly was. I was offended too, as my SIL is Vietnamese. Love Kate xx

  • adamah
    adamah

    UBM said- Nice comment. Talk about racial stereo-typing.

    Puleeze, Frazzled, I was in the US military in the 1970's (stationed in Guam), and saw the story play out repeatedly from those stationed in the region (across the pond from the P.I., where the military had a large presence at Clark AB). My dorm room-mate in the military was a Filipino who worked in Ferdinand Marcos' palace in Manila in the 70's, and he joined the U.S. military as his way out of the poverty of the P.I. The stereotype is not without basis, and stories of it are legendary in the military, but sometimes even hit the mainstream news, eg:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/philippines-mail-order-bride-gang_n_3509491.html

    So when someone in the UK reports being married to a filipina, the first question in my mind is how they came into contact (just like the Russian bride on the arm of some guy in the US). The prior poster from the UK mentioned a Cypriot connection, since there's a large population of Filipinos living there:

    http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/04/25/13/filipina-domestic-workers-fear-future-amid-cyprus-slump

    And note that's why I ASKED about how you met; you accuse me of making a comment as if I assumed what I didn't. You and Kate jump to conclusions much?

    BTW, my friend has done extremely well for himself after becoming a U.S. citizen, since he always was driven to succeed and was a hard worker; he started buying real estate in the 1980's by scrimping and saving his money, flipping houses. He's retired now, a very-wealthy person.

  • Frazzled UBM
    Frazzled UBM

    Adamah: 'So when someone in the UK reports being married to a filipina, the first question in my mind is how they came into contact.' Adamah - there is this amazing thing called air travel that allows people from one country to travel to other countries, meet and form genuine relationships and marry without ulterior motives. I have lived in six different countries in my life time and my wife has lived in four. Apart from Filipinos living in Cyprus there is a large community in the UK. The planet is shrinking and more people than ever before live as expats or haven't you caught up with that trend. So your question about how we met and your assumption about the answer reflect on you because the more obvious answer is that we met in the UK, the Philippines or some third country. A simple apology for the slur implicit in your question would have sufficed.

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