Why hasn`t / doesn`t the "TRUE GOD" clarify his " GODSHIP" between the JEWS , the CHRISTIANS and the MUSLIMS.

by smiddy 51 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Perry: Biblical Christianity states that we are all God's enemies. ......There is NO relationship there. .....

    In addition to not having the ability to make friends with God on our own efforts, we are still liable on Judgment Day for the wrong things that we have committed and that have come out of our mouth. Failing to listen to God's message of redemption through the blood of his Son, most people will only hear God speak on Judgment Day. This will not be a friendly conversation.

    Then screw him.

  • steve2
    steve2

    Oh Perry we are doing a side-ways shuffle dance here.

    You have little to say about whose "god" and whose interpretation. These are not problematic to you. I realise you will have responses to the questions that are perennial sound questions as one interpretation of "scriptural" "god's" vies with countless others. But to "play along" : what if the biggest monster wins, regardless of righteousness or otherwise? and what if - despite your honest and sincere heart - it has little to do with what is right and more to do with might (as in the mightiest)?

    I could of course throw away the lexicon and play tiddly winks. What if tiddly winks is right and the lexicon of complexity is wrong? or what if it has nothing to do with right or wrong??

    Back to more what ifs.....

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    Here's a fourth choice: God is universal. Loves unconditionally. He/she understands all circumstances. Isn't out for blood or eternal punishment. Doesn't matter if you figure it out or not.

  • humbled
    humbled

    FHN--I think that is true.

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    Are some of you guys missing the point of the OP here ?

    The Jews dont recognise Jesus Christ as the messiah , their still waiting for him .

    The Muslims dont recognise Jesus Christ as the messiah , only as a prophet , their still waiting for him.

    Christians do recognise Jesus Christ as the messiah and are just waiting for his second coming/presence.

    And lets face it these three faiths have no love for each other .

    These three major faiths are based on a set of scriptures common to each of them yet their is little or no commonality between them , and GOD hasnt seen fit to rectify this problem ? If he was a C.E.O. of any one of these three faiths he would be sacked for incompetence

    smiddy.

  • steve2
    steve2

    Smiddy I did get the point of the OP - I just got distracted by the usual encirclingly annoying mosquitoes. Look, my view is if believers in a common source book cannot agree on its fundamental message and in fact detest one another to one degree or another, it is extremely rich of them expounding the minutiae of how their unique interpretations are the correct ones. Hell, if these believers cannot get their act together, them thar athiests, polytheists and assorted others are nicely protected from the religious idiocy of it all. Scripture is its own worst enemy. Who needs the devil when you are perfectly skilled at producing the best arguments against your own faith? JW are simply one teeny tiny part of the mosaic of lunatic-minded expounders of a cartoonish monster who breathes death and destruction on all who dare to doubt.

  • designs
    designs

    steve, smiddy- Its the game of Who's The Heretic

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    So, Smiddy, like I said, maybe God isn't partial to any of the three groups you mentioned. Perhaps he/she is simply God to all and isn't going to humor any of the three.

  • designs
    designs

    PBS has an interesting documentary on Muhammed and the violent underpinnings in his rise to power. Many of the historians interviewed see today's conflicts in the Middle East as a continuation of the wars and purges begun in the 7th century AD.

  • humbled
    humbled

    Smiddy, God has sacked the religions for their incompetence.

    You know, we are the ones who invent words. We create words and define them out of our own experience. Perhaps God cannot reach us if we are glued to religion. We can't hear any new words or meanings.

    To pursue your line of thought, it is fair to say that all three religions do not view Jesus as a common thread. They see Abraham as that "father of faith". But each failed to see what faith the stumbling, bumbling patriach exemplified.

    It certainly wasn't faith by committee. Not faith by consensus. Not faith through the scriptures. He showed his faith in his solitary pondering and struggle with a word "olah"--burnt offering. He was going to have to learn the poetry of his/our relationship to God through the harsh language of the times. We invent words to match our experience.

    Was Abraham going to define a God of horror, inconsistency and blood?

    Remember, at that time there wasn't the vast menu of sacrifices that in later times the Children of Israel wrote up for themselves: heave offerings, wave offerings, sin offerings, voluntary offerings, communion offerings, etc. ad nauseum. The stark word that the patriarchs used was "zebach" for every serious meeting with God. In ancient Hebrew the written symbol was derivative of a slashing mark. A cutting. Blood and death.

    But "olah" is not derived from that root in any way. Nor should we think that it would automatically replace zebach. The word that is written is not the word that demanded blood.

    But what did it mean?

    An ascent as of smoke, a stepping upward. Literally. This is the poetry of the moment that we ignore.

    Was Jesus Abraham/Isaac altogether? For God so loved the world he GAVE--not KILLED--his only begotten son. If we cannot do better than to make a religion of a monster-God and continually choose division instead of trust--what more is there to be done?

    Brooklyn shu me out for not teaching the Abraham story as the monster-son-of-a-bitch god who is a tricky liar. I choose to stumble in ignorance in front of the Goodness. I am not educated in these things but I understood the issue here.

    Abraham is commended for listening to God in this most cryptic and ancient story--a story, which, of all the edits the OT had done, is universally considered untouched. It is crude and uniform in its transmission. We humans are only to blame if we choose to cast Genesis 22 as an evil event--evil in our own twisted perception. Each of us has to answer for our definition of "whole burnt offering". I believe God was trying to teach us not to fear Him or death.

    Solitary and stumbling. Scriptures say Jesus called us to be true children of Abraham. I do mistrust much that I read. But if we care to share a story, this is one the Jews, Christians and Muslims need to reckon with--and maybe get kicked out of their gatherings altogether. Altogether.

    PS sorry the italics wouldn't quit on my cheap computer.

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