by Frazzled UBM 37 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
The proclaimers book eh?
Well it takes all sorts. It's good that he is doing the research and looking into the history. Like most JWs though he is comfortable with changing doctrine or "nulite" as we say here.
But the seed has been planted, if issues arise like I mentioned before he will remember the multiple changes in doctrine and grasp it is circular reasoning.
Well done, keep us updated when he responds. Kate xx
I think when they said 1874 that no one knew the date for the fall of babylon so more or less a guess ,I don't think they had all the calculations to come to 1914 CE , later they concluded 607 which is still disputed by secular historians and then they add the 7 times 360 and moved forward for the end of gentile times , it took them awhile to realize WW1 was a sign of his presence and he was not going to return until after the truth was fully revealed and preached about .. I personally think that mathew 24 coincides with it even tho this religion can't seem to keep it's foot out it's mouth and lack the humility to ask for forgiveness and admit a lie even , a lie is a lie whether deliberate or other wise .
@heathen---
1874 had nothing to do with 607 or the fall of Jerusalem. Look at the quote I posted above: "This moved forward the end of six thousand years of man's existence into the decade of the 1970's." (Ka, p 209).
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The 607-1914 concept was not Russell's- he borrowed it from the Adventists in 1876 based on JA Brown's timeline. They were wrong too.
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H: "it took them awhile to realize WW1 was a sign of his presence": Russell never considered 1914 to be "Christ's Presence". That began in 1874, acccording to Russell. 1914 was predicted to be Armageddon, not the start of some great preaching work; in reality, it was the conclusion of the preaching work, according to WT. Russell never predicted a world war, either. In fact, 100% of what Russell predicted failed.
It took until 1943for the new understanding to finally be clarified.-ADCMS
Fair point, so although it was mentioned before 1943 it wasn't clarified until then. LOL it just goes to show what a mess their history is and how abigious and vague some WT articles can be, from a statement to an official teaching. Then they back pedal when they get it wrong.
Fair point ADCMS. Kate xx
@ KateWild
WT never comes out and immediately corrects an error. They change doctrines so slowly by dropping little hints that by the time it is directly stated in an article, most JWs will say, "oh, isn't this what we've always believed?" Those quotes you posted Re: 1930's shows the view was already changing, though it was done in a very subtle way.
right , what I meant was the fall of judah . You are saying the 6k years dogma from creation , much like the 7th day adventist church where they split from , technically if we look at what they said after with rutherford was that they were not appointed anyway until 1919 CE so CTR was a false prophet . armageddon of itself did start when the saints were called and the world governments oppressed the church for their lack of political support , REV16 , but it ends more or less in REV 19.IMO
Having never been a Witness this is the bit I don't get. How did the organisation know they had been appointed? AS far as I can tell the GB simpoly asserts that they were appointed without any details around the circumstances of the appointment. How do they get away with this?
JWs generally won't know the answer to this either. If I recall correctly, the publications have said that the sign of their appointment was, as ADCMS alluded to, the period of imprisonment for Rutherford et al., ending with their being released from prison and putting Christendom on the hot seat with their fiery message of condemnation at the Cedar Point convention in 1919. (Of course, in actuality, no one in Christendom was really paying attention.) There could be more to it that I'm forgetting, but I think that's the party line.
The jesus of the Watchtower CORPORATION is in "heaven" waiting for the "go ahead" to come and kill all NON-JWs on the face of the earth ...
