Ferguson Shooting (Is my thinking on this all wrong.......)

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  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    The militarization of the police force has been in effect for years but it's been ramped up for the past 13 - the idea that anyone thinks Holder, as was pointed out, the chief of law enforcement, actually went to Ferguson because he was feeling all warm and fuzzy is naive. It's politics. Tweets were flying all over when the riots were incurring - and a whole heck of a lot of them were people railing against the very people they thought were there for them - Sharpton, Obama, Jackson - people are wiping the sleep from their eyes. The police have received increased funding from the feds for the military equipment they are using and in training - because your police force must now be your first defence against all enemies - foreign and domestic. To fight an enemy - you need to operate a war machine. In order to deflect all this rage against the government and to retain the voting block - somebody had to make an entrance and so Holder went. Making it about race is an efffective tool to use on the population when you believe they aren't sophisticated or educated enough to understand the bigger issues and the fact that it's the very person in front of you who paid for the weapons used against you.

    What is sad in all wealthy countries and there are many - is that there should be no economic inequality and gaping disparity between have and have not. The acceptance that 85 people will have more than 4 billion is astounding and what astounds even more is the fact that a leader can hand out another fifty bucks a month in welfare and then hand another two hundred bucks to the military police force. What does that tell anyone about priorities and what does that tell you about the balance of power - but it's okay because Holder made a visit and said I feel your pain.

    Economies around the world are a mess - but nowhere do we see any plan to change it. Social unrest follows as people struggle more. Wouldn't it be more productive to plan for higher income, employment and a healthier society than spending more on military equipment that you need to stop a riot of people you are supposed to protect? sw

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    7 Ways The Obama Administration Has Accelerated Police Militarization

    Posted: 07/10/2013 3:57 pm

    There were signs that President Barack Obama might rein in the mass militarization of America's police forces after he won the White House. Policing is primarily a local issue, overseen by local authorities. But beginning in the late 1960s with President Richard Nixon, the federal government began instituting policies that gave federal authorities more power to fight the drug trade, and to lure state and local policymakers into the anti-crime agenda of the administration in charge. These policies got a boost during Ronald Reagan's presidency, and then another during President Bill Clinton's years. Under President George W. Bush, all of those anti-drug policies continued, but were supplemented by new war on terrorism endeavors -- yet more efforts to make America's cops look, act and fight like soldiers.

    But Obama might have been different. This, after all, was the man who, as a candidate for the U.S. Senate in 2004, declared the war on drugs an utter failure. As Reason magazine's Jacob Sullum wrote in a 2011 critique of Obama's drug policy:

    Obama stood apart from hard-line prohibitionists even when he began running for president. In 2007 and 2008, he bemoaned America’s high incarceration rate, warned that the racially disproportionate impact of drug prohibition undermines legal equality, advocated a “public health” approach to drugs emphasizing treatment and training instead of prison, repeatedly indicated that he would take a more tolerant position regarding medical marijuana than George W. Bush, and criticized the Bush administration for twisting science to support policy -- a tendency that is nowhere more blatant than in the government’s arbitrary distinctions among psychoactive substances.

    Indeed, in his first interview after taking office, Obama's drug czar, Gil Kerlikowske, said that the administration would be toning down the martial rhetoric that had dominated federal drug policy since the Nixon years. "Regardless of how you try to explain to people it's a 'war on drugs' or a 'war on a product,' people see a war as a war on them," Kerlikowske told The Wall Street Journal. "We're not at war with people in this country."

    This was an notable break from previous administrations. Rhetoric does matter, and for a generation in the U.S., cops had incessantly been told that they were in a war with drug offenders -- this, in a country where about half the adult population admits to having smoked marijuana.

    Unfortunately, while not insignificant, the change in rhetoric has largely been only that. The Obama administration may no longer call it a "war," but there's no question that the White House is continuing to fight one. Here's a quick rundown of where and how Obama's policies have perpetuated the garrison state:

    1. Pentagon Giveaways

    In 1997, Congress added a section to a defense appropriations bill creating an agency to transfer surplus military gear to state and local police departments. Since then, millions of pieces of equipment designed for use on a battlefield -- such as tanks, bayonets, M-16s, and armored personnel carriers -- have been given to domestic police agencies for use on American streets, against American citizens.

    Under Obama, this program has continued to flourish. In its October 2011 newsletter (motto: “From Warfighter to Crimefighter”), the agency that oversees the Pentagon giveaways boasted that fiscal 2011 was the most productive in the program's history. And by a large margin. “FY 11 has been a historic year for the program,” wrote program manager Craig Barrett. “We reutilized more than $500M, that is million with an M, worth of property in FY 11. This passes the previous mark by several hundred million dollars. ... Half a billion dollars in reutilization was a monumental achievement in FY 11.”

    2. Byrne Grants

    In 1988, Congress created a new federal crime-fighting program called the Byrne grant, named for Edward Byrne, a New York City narcotics officer killed by a drug dealer. Over the years, these grants have created multi-jurisdictional anti-drug and anti-gang task forces all over the country. Because these task forces usually cover more than one jurisdiction, they often aren't fully accountable to, say, a police chief or an elected sheriff. Moreover, they're often funded either with additional Byrne grants, or with money seized in asset forfeiture proceedings. They can operate with little or no funding from the polities they police.

    The results have been unsettling. These task forces have caused numerous deaths, been responsible for botched drug raids on the wrong houses, and have been implicated in corruption scandals. It was Byrne-funded task forces that were responsible for the debacles in Tulia and Hearne, Texas, about a decade ago, in which dozens of people -- nearly all poor and black -- were wrongly raided, arrested and charged with drug crimes. One woman falsely charged in Hearne was Regina Kelly, subject of the movie "American Violet." In a 2007 interview, Kelly told me that the violent raids had been going on for years in Hearne before the task force was finally caught.

    "They come on helicopters, military-style, SWAT style,” Kelly said. “In the apartments I was living in, in the projects, there were a lot of children outside playing. They don’t care. They throw kids on the ground, put guns to their heads. They’re kicking in doors. They just don’t care.”

    The George W. Bush administration had actually begun phasing out the Byrne program. It had been funded at a half-billion dollars per year through most of the Clinton presidency. By the time he left office in 2008, Bush had pared it to $170 million a year. But the grants have long been a favorite of Vice President Joe Biden. And so Obama campaigned on fully restoring their funding, declaring that the Byrne grant program “has been critical to creating the anti-gang and anti-drug task forces our communities need.” On that promise at least, he has delivered. As part of the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, Obama infused the program with $2 billion, by the far the largest budget in its history.

    3. COPS Grants

    The Community Oriented Policing Services, or COPS, program has followed a similar trajectory. Its aim is noble, at least in theory. Community policing is the idea that cops should be proactive, and consider themselves part of the communities they serve. They should know the names of school principals, be friendly with business owners, attend neighborhood meetings.

    This isn't the definition of community policing held by many police officials. In the late 1990s, criminologist Peter Kraska found, for example, that many police chiefs consider frequent SWAT raids and similarly aggressive policing to be a core part of a community policing strategy. In fact, some said they considered sending SWAT teams to patrol entire neighborhoods to be sound community policing.

    Moreover, police department budgets are fungible -- there's really no way to control how these grants are spent once they arrive at the police station. A 2001 report by the Madison Capital Times found that many Wisconsin police agencies that received COPS grants in the 1990s had in fact used them to start SWAT teams. When presented with these findings, one criminologist was aghast, telling the paper, "Community policing initiatives and stockpiling weapons and grenade launchers are totally incompatible.”

    Just as it had with Byrne grants, the Bush administration was phasing out the COPS program in the 2000s. But like the Byrne grants, COPS grants have long been a favorite of Biden. In fact, Biden often takes credit for creating the program, and claims it's responsible for the sharp drop in violent crime in America that began in the mid-1990s. (There's no evidence to support that contention, and a 2007 analysis in the peer-reviewed journal Criminology concluded “COPS spending had little to no effect on crime.”)

    And so Obama resurrected COPS, too. During his first year in office, he increased the program's budget by 250 percent.

    4. DHS Anti-Terror Grants

    The Department of Homeland Security has been giving its own grants to police agencies. These grants have been used to purchase military-grade equipment in the name of fighting terrorism. The grants are going to cities and towns all over America, including to unlikely terrorist targets like Fargo, N.D.; Fond du Lac, Wis.; and Canyon County, Idaho. Once they have a new armored personnel carrier, or new high-powered weapons, most of these police agencies then put them to use in more routine police work -- usually drug raids.

    According to a 2011 report by the Center for Investigative Reporting, the federal government has handed out $34 billion in grants since Sept. 11, 2001. The grants have also given rise to contractors that now cater to police agencies looking to cash DHS checks in exchange for battle-grade gear. All of which means there's now an industry -- and inevitably a lobbying interest -- dedicated to perpetuating police militarization.

    5. Medical Marijuana Raids

    Despite campaign promises to the contrary, Obama has not only continued the Bush and Clinton administration policy of sending SWAT teams to raid medical marijuana growers, shops, and dispensaries in states that have legalized the drug, he appears to have significantly increased enforcement. Just two years into his presidency, Obama's administration had conducted about 150 such raids. The Bush administration conducted around 200 medical marijuana raids over eight years.

    Obama has also stepped up the heavy-handed raids often used to enforce immigration laws. In 2012, his administration deported more people than in any prior year in American history. He's on pace to deport 2 million people by 2014, a figure equal to the total number of people ever deported from American until 1997.

    6. Heavy-Handed Police Tactics

    In 2011, an armed team of federal agents raided the floor of the Gibson guitar factory in Nashville, Tenn. The raid made national headlines and picked up traction in the the tea party movement, largely because it had been conducted to enforce the Lacey Act, a fairly obscure environmental law -- not the sort of policy most people would think would be enforced by armed federal agents. The same year, a SWAT team from the Department of Education conducted a morning raid of what they thought was the home of a woman who was suspected of defrauding federal student loan programs -- again, not the sort of crime usually associated with a SWAT action. (They also got the wrong house -- the suspect had moved out months earlier.)

    The Obama administration has defended the use of aggressive, militaristic police actions in court. In the case Avina v. U.S., DEA agents pointed their guns at an 11-year-old and a 14-year-old during a drug raid on the wrong house. The agents had apparently mistaken the license plate of a suspected drug trafficker for the plate on a car owned by Thomas Avina. Obama's Justice Department argued in federal court that the lawsuit should be dismissed before being heard by a jury because the agents’ actions were not unreasonable.

    To be fair, the Justice Department almost always defends federal employees from lawsuits. And it seems likely that any other modern administration would do the same thing. But it wasn't always this way. In 1973, even the drug-warring Nixon administration fired, and then criminally indicted, 12 narcotics cops for raiding the wrong homes and terrorizing innocent families. Obama may be no different than Bush, Clinton, or his rivals for the presidency in defending drug cops who point guns at children during botched raids. But there was a time in America when even the original tough-on-crime administration was appalled enough at the idea to hold such overly zealous drug cops accountable.

    7. Asset Forfeiture

    Under the policy of civil asset forfeiture, the government can seize any cash, cars, houses, or other property that law enforcement can reasonably connect to a crime -- usually a drug crime. The owner of the property must then go to court to show that he legitimately earned or owns it. Often the owner is never actually charged with a crime. And often, these seizures are made against people suspected of low-level crimes, so the value of the property seized can be less than the costs and hassle of hiring an attorney and going to court to win it back.

    If the owner doesn't try to get his assets back, or if the court rules against him, asset forfeiture proceeds go to the police department that made the seizure. Critics say the policy creates perverse incentives for police to find drug connections that may not exist. But the policy has been lucrative for police agencies, and has been a huge contributor to the growth and use of SWAT teams to serve drug warrants. SWAT teams can be expensive to maintain. Instead of reserving them only for genuinely dangerous situations, asset forfeiture (along with Byrne grants) creates a strong incentive to send them on drug raids. A number of states have tried to curb forfeiture abuses by requiring that proceeds from seizures go to schools, or to a general fund. But under the Justice Department's equitable sharing program, a local police agency simply needs to ask the DEA for assistance with a raid. The operation then becomes federal, and is governed by federal law. The DOJ takes a cut of the assets, then sends a large percentage back to the local police agency, effectively getting around those state laws.

    Under Obama, forfeiture has flourished. According to a 2012 report from the General Accounting Office, the Justice Department's forfeiture fund swelled to $1.8 billion in 2011, the largest ever. That same year, equitable sharing payouts to local police agencies topped $445 million, also a record.

    Obama has fought for broad asset forfeiture powers in court, even for local governments. In the 2009 case Alvarez v. Smith, the Obama administration defended a provision of Illinois' asset forfeiture law that allows police to seize property they believe is connected to drug activity with little evidence, then hold it for up to six months before the owner gets an opportunity to win it back in court. It's one of the harshest such laws in the country.

    The argument could be made here that the Justice Department has a responsibility to defend law enforcement in court. But Obama has shown a willingness to back down from laws he opposes -- notably by instructing government attorneys to stop defending the Defense of Marriage Act from court challenges.

    But even if one believes that the solicitor general has an obligation to defend federal law, this is a state law. Moreover, it's a state law that's actually harsher on property owners than corresponding federal laws. The Illinois law also applies only to property valued at less than $20,000, meaning it disproportionately affects the poor. The Obama administration could have plausibly argued against the law, or simply not taken a position. Instead, Justice Department attorneys argued for it to be upheld. The Supreme Court ultimately dismissed the case without ruling on the law.

    In many of these examples, Obama is merely continuing policies that began in previous administrations. And there are some areas where he has made progress, notably by apportioning a greater portion his anti-drug budget to treatment instead of enforcement. But in several of the examples above, he has actually stepped up the policies he inherited.

    Obama the candidate made some unusually frank and critical statements about the drug war, incarceration, and the criminal justice system. His drug czar then showed some rare insight into the dangers of war rhetoric when discussing domestic policing. Obama the president has been more of the same, and in some cases worse.

  • jhine
    jhine

    I have to agree with Cofty , as a Brit the American knee jerk reaction to shoot scares the daylights out of me . I really do not think that I would like to visit a country where discharging a firearm seems to be a national pastime .

    What is this love of guns about ? They are made for one thing only -to kill .

    Whatever the rights or wrongs of what went on one thing is certain if the officer had not got a gun that death would not have occured .

    Also why is unemployment to blame . WE use it as a reason for bad behaviour over here as well these days . Unemployment and social depravation were rife in the 1930s but people stiil had regard for the law . Other social issues must be to blame , breakdown of family life for one I suspect as a cause for such behaviour . Drug taking and alcohol issues and kids just not being taught right from wrong and respect for other people and their property all play a part . Yes I am showing my age !

    Jan

  • designs
    designs

    You just don't see the Door Rammer used enough in Beverly Hills. Although Gawd knows there are more high end drugs up there than in Compton....

  • Simon
    Simon

    I just saw the Honorable Rev Jesse Jackson giving his 2 cents for free. He was garbled and said nothing of consequence. One of his points was that 87% of Fergusson is black and 65+% of traffic stops "target" blacks. Uh....??????

    Yeah, why aren't black people being stopped proportionately as much as non-blacks? Let's riot!

    But more seriously ...

    There are a few things at play here. The issue of the black prison population / incarceration rate is despicable and something is clearly wrong there. However, it is wrong of people to look to punish individuals to try and address an inbalance for the crimes of a nation. There are many things wrong but none of them are Officer Wilson's fault. All he should be investigated for is this one incident and there doesn't appear to be a damning case against him right now for a prosecution to be justified. Leaders are irresponsible in whipping up the crowds and setting expectations that lack of an arrest means there is a cover up ... but they know wull well what they are doing.

    Same for the miliarisation of the police - it's not the fault of any one police officer for the policies at the national level.

    The democratic leadership is unfortunately getting far too involved in cases like this and it's hard to see it as anything but simply because of the color of those involved and the president should be setting an example. He should be speaking and acting for ALL americans, whatever color, gender or background. Imagine if Bush had run after cases simply because there happened to be some white kid involved? It would rightly be comdemned.

    Interestingly, the city of Cincinnati apparently went through this exact same situation some 12+ years ago (it's not as frequent as made out) and they improved the police-community relations by having better complaint procedures and getting people to use the system as I suggested earlier. The community leaders who implemented that don't get to TV shows or the publicity that others do but they actually got down and sorted things out in a practical way that worked. This is what is missing at the national level.

    Forget the marches, that battle was already won and the laws were changed.

    Forget the praying because it does jack shit.

    Forget the concerts because it's simply a publicity vehicle for entertainers who are then off to count their album sales.

    Forget the protests because they just provide cover for others to riot.

    Forget the calls for Civil Rights investigations because they don't proactively solve anything (whither the Trayvon Martin 'Civil Rights Trial of the Century'?).

    Forget the accusations of bias or coverup because it's just racists trying to inflame a situation.

    Instead, create a federal organization to be an independent police complaints body specifically to address race related complaints and incidents, not just major issues after they occur. If lots of complaints come in from the same place then send people down there to see what the heck is going on. I'd actually be surprised if such a thing didn't already exist in some shape or form.

    Leaders should be encouraging their people to use the system as it's designed to be used and also to engage and make improvements. Policing the community should be done by representatives of that community and that means stepping up and taking part, not refusing to engage and then complaining you have no voice. It's no point moaning that the Grand Jury does not represent the people if those people don't register to vote and stand a chance of being picked.

    Teach kids to have some respect for themselves and others and stop glorifying and excusing anti-social behavior.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I was raised a Witness by parents whose families spent time in jail and prison. Nevertheless, despite some tension, I was told to obey the police. One can always file a civil rights complaint after the incident. Despite evolution, I was also taught to obey my teachers. The punishment at home for talking back would be far worse than punishment at school. When you stand before a judge, the judge can be very wrong but you keep your lip zipped. Lawyers don't have the resilience to go to jail for contempt. I had a cop clearly violate the law. If I could prove it, I would be far richer.

    Sometimes I wonder if this country will ever heal from the remnants of slavery. Statistics prove racism in the criminal justice system.

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    They need more black cops in Ferguson. Unfortunately, the black people don't want to be cops in their own neighborhood. All I see is a bunch of uneducated Jesus freaks who are bitching about an issue that festered because of their own failure to be involved in their community. Now they come out in force when a tragedy strikes. What's the solution here? More riots followed by religious ceremonies?!

    Where are the JWs with their tracts and trolley carts???

    DD

  • tootired2care
    tootired2care

    Statistics prove racism in the criminal justice system.

    I'm calling bullshit. How can arrest and incarceration statistics prove racism? And please don't give us another one of your boring personal experiences, you do this in practically every one of your comments and it's tiresome.

    Sometimes I wonder if this country will ever heal from the remnants of slavery.

    It certainly never will as long as the idiot liberals are in power. Race baiting idiots like Eric Holder, Sharpton, Jackson et-all are the problem. Not law abiding citizens, and certainly not police officers that do their job to stop thugs like Michael Brown. Also, stop with the annoying baby boomer white guilt, and try to start looking at facts and call a spade a spade. When a person attacks a police officer and dies, they got exactly what they deserved for their stupidity.

    ' Life's hard . It's even harder when you're stupid.' -- John Wayne

  • designs
    designs

    Why are some countries seeing so few killings by police officers. 2011/12 British/Wales police officers show 5 people shot, two fatally.

    In the four years leading up to 2012 there were 9 fatalities. In 2013 no fatalies.

    Since 9/11 5000 persons in the US have been fatally shot by police officers.

    None lethal means to bring a person under control are available and could be used more.

  • AlphaMan
    AlphaMan

    I have to agree with Cofty , as a Brit the American knee jerk reaction to shoot scares the daylights out of me . I really do not think that I would like to visit a country where discharging a firearm seems to be a national pastime .

    What is this love of guns about ? They are made for one thing only -to kill.

    .

    You can thank the Brits for Americans love of guns. LOL

  • Simon
    Simon

    The problem with statistics is they often don't tell the whole story.

    The number of traffic stops is a perfect example - initially, a report that 65% of traffic stops are black people sounds biased ... until you learn that 85% of the population is black which then sounds biased the other way.

    But of course neither is really 'true' as there are so many other things to consider: how many black vs white people own cars / drive ... where and when did the stops take place etc... It's just like taking a poll - so many factors to ensure 'fairness' and no bias in the sampling.

    The same with prison population - some will take the raw numbers as proof of discrimination, others can take the exact same numbers as proff of increased criminality but and the real truth is likely somewhere away from either extreme.

    Do we think the candid and honest answers that are needed to address the situations will ever take place? I doubt it. Both sides need to own up to bias and admit to some untruths.

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