Love, Marriage and Leaving JWs? (page 2)

ballistic

I think you said it here :::&&& Once they were supposedly happy Jws &&&:::
Supposedly.
We were actually TOLD to put on the kingdom smile. I was told to wipe it on my face by an elder. I only came off anti-depressants when I left the organisation. Many here tell the same story.

dissedsis

Why are you on this site??? are you an elder or are the elders aware that you even read the things posted on this site??? I was 14 when I was disfellowshiped, FOURTEEN!!!! I went forward with the truth, I was repentive, but.... since I did not give very explicit details of the "sexual acts" (14, remember 14) I was not repentive enough. Crushed me. I think you should be able to see where I am coming from. Oh yeah the elders son that I was involved with, he just got PR. I got ousted

D8TA

I'll put it in basic and brief:

I was born in to the WTBTS.
Baptized at 13. DF 16 and called an "apostate" for my views of dissent. Re-instated at 23 soley for the purpose to have an open channel of communication with my family. In other words, to have "technical" reason from MY family point of view, that they can communicate with me without applied status from WTBTS point of view.

WTBTS believes it has a right to express it's point of view with MY family. Fair enough, I'm for that. My family can hear what they want, no big deal. Now, the WTBTS believes that any view counter to it's belief is that "of the world", "influenced by satan and his demons", or in my case one who holds an "apostate" point of view. Therefore, should I express my point of view with MY family, WTBTS impedes that. Now, should my family listen to me, they will be ostracized by elders and congregation for doing so. WTBTS believes that no one can impede their message, but feel free to impedes my message, when it comes to MY family.

I dont give a shit about the rest of the WTBTS flock. You or anyone else. I dont give a shit about argument of doctrine or theology. What I do have a RIGHT to, is to communicate without any form of duress from ANYONE in this world with MY family.

Does the WTBTS cross that line? Yes. Have they crossed that line? Yes.

Now, there was a situation where I found a compromise with the WTBTS on the matter of MY family. That compromise has been abandoned by the WTBTS. Therefore, if the WTBTS feels that it can impede on MY RIGHT to communicate with MY FAMILY...then I find that I can impede on their RIGHT to communicate with whomever.

Now, I deem my situation with my baptism (which was under pressure) to be unique. No 13 year old has the intellectual capacity to make an informed decision when joining an organization such as the WTBTS. Nor did any MS, Elder, CO, DO, or governing body member, in any way, counsel me at the age of 13 to "reconsider" nor put an effort to "prohibit" my baptism. Therefore, I view my "baptism" with the WTBTS null and void.

So, to simply state...if they want to fuck with MY family situation, then they should accept accountability for impeding on MY family situation. It's my perogative to dictate how to handle that situation. Anyone who believes that my actions should take another course is their OPINION.

Let me give you a reality check Non_trias, jehovah god is YOUR god...not mine. When you ask a LEADING question such as;

Are you folks being a little hypercritical in this place?

And within the arrogance of your posts, I see that you are standing up with WTBTS in support of their fucking with my family. So, if you feel to share accountability, expect a harsh reaction from my (and/or others) side.

This post you've made, is a general accusation. There are many people here, with many different stories. When you step on toes with your general accusations, expect to be treated with a negative reaction. But of course, you should know this, since you've boasted your great intellect

Let me give you a piece of advice, which is up to you to heed, but before making general accusations ask yourself this; Would I be willing to ask and say these things to someone's face, much less on a message board?

D8TA

TR

Well, I guess ignorance IS bliss for some people.

TR

UADNA-WA
Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America- Washington Division

teenyuck

Well Non, you obviously have never mated...in any sense of the word.

If you had you would realize that being a "total loser" will not get you chicks. Even witness women have some standards.

So, go out and be a total loser. See how many woman (or men as the case may be) want to "mate" with you. Once you realize that being nice gets you some P (or A, as the case may be), you will realize that HHMMM, perhaps you might want to marry her/him.

Then you realize that you don't want to pick up your underwear, pay for anything the kids need, etc. You also realize, as a good JW man, that your wife is to be in submission to you...Yes, thats right, you get to tell her what to do!! And you don't even have to be nice. She is your wife after all and she is supposed to be submissive.

Are you getting the impression that perhaps I DON'T WANT TO BE IN SUBMISSION!!! (only when my husband ties me to the bed...with leather-but that is another story)

Comparing being brought up as a witness to getting divorced cannot be done.

I was raised in the Troof and had no choice. When I came to the conclusion that JW's are a bunch of ill informed dimwits, I left, at age 20. The moment I was financially able.

When I got married I did not realize he was a wife beater...that comes after...when he thinks he has you. Lucky for me I was not submissive

Anyway, you are pushing some buttons and I applaud your ability to get so many of us to respond to your silly questions.

BTW, can you read scarcasim?

Edited to explain P (Pussy) and A (Ass) to our new friend

non_trias_theos

$$$This post you've made, is a general accusation. There are many people here, with many different stories. When you step on toes with your general accusations, expect to be treated with a negative reaction. But of course, you should know this, since you've boasted your great intellect$$$

My post was not a general accusation. I used the word "sometimes" to qualify my statements.

$$$Let me give you a piece of advice, which is up to you to heed, but before making general accusations ask yourself this; Would I be willing to ask and say these things to someone's face, much less on a message board?$$$

I think you need help, friend. And I mean that sincerely. Witneses are peaceable freedom who just want the freedom to practice their religion the way that the Bible directs. We try to be peaceable with everyone, as far as it depends on us.

I am sure that people say a lot of things on the internet that they would not say to someone's face. Doing so might get one shot these days. There are even some jws who carry guns and tell me they "ain't going out like that" if someone attacks them. A little bit of advice from non.

ballistic

Doing so might get one shot these days.

Trying to antagonise with a threat like this proves Simons theory that you do not feel you've won your game unless you mange to provoke people.

FRUSR8TD

I have heard the "up-set husband/wife" comparison to apostates before. My wife tried it and I told her that if indeed the upset spouse were running her mouth with no proof then yes I would take it with a grain of salt. However...if she came to me with letters written in the offending spouse's own handwriting recounting/describing the same things she complaining about..well that lends some credibility. The watchtower sure has written a lot.

dissedsis

Non, you say you just want the freedom of your religion???? Well, why bash other religions while having your freedom????? and you guys are so peaceful and loving, that is why you can oust a member and never speak to them again. BRAINWASHING!!! They are so afraid that we will corrupt you into thinking for yourself aren't they. Carrying guns is really something that I can see Jesus doing LOL I am sure when the prostitute approached him at the well first thing Jesus did was grab his "club" just so he could fend off that evil woman. Did he do that Non???? Did he look at her and run away like the witnesses would??? NO!!!! YOU ARE AN IGNORANT FUCK THAT HAS NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN LET OTHERS TELL YOU HOW TO LIVE YOUR LIFE. WHY THE SEX IN THE CITY AD NON???? THAT IS A VERY VERY IMMORAL PROGRAM. JEHOVAH SAYS THAT IT IS OK, RIGHT??? LOL!!!!! YOU ARE SO PATHETIC IT ISN'T EVEN FUNNY. GO READ THE WATCHTOWER AND SAY YOUR PRAYERS SO YOU CAN CLEANSE YOURSELF OF THE AWEFUL THINGS YOU HAVE READ HERE TODAY. WHILE YOU ARE AT IT CALL THE ELDERS AND ADMIT YOUR WRONGS!!!

non_trias_theos

$$$I have heard the "up-set husband/wife" comparison to apostates before. My wife tried it and I told her that if indeed the upset spouse were running her mouth with no proof then yes I would take it with a grain of salt. However...if she came to me with letters written in the offending spouse's own handwriting recounting/describing the same things she complaining about..well that lends some credibility. The watchtower sure has written a lot.$$$

You have not heard me deny that the wt does have certain failings. I just think people blow things out of proportion and love to shift the blame.

$$$Trying to antagonise with a threat like this proves Simons theory that you do not feel you've won your game unless you mange to provoke people.$$$

I am not trying to provoke anyone. Non has no guns in the house. But some people do carry them. That is my point. Do not think that just because a people like jws, who are mostly peaceful, muight not have some members who carry protection.

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