Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"

by breakfast of champions 443 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Listener
    Listener

    Konceptial said

    One of the GB says things in a talk that NO ONE else could say as it's unloving, unscripturual, full of personal opinion and judgemental. One of the GB says things in a talk that will NEVER be published as they are too controversial to be put down in print.

    I am starting to think that this was the actual test of faith that would be presented at this meeting. The JWs on JWTalk passed the test with flying colours. It would seem that the GB deliberately came up with such stupid comments (eg coloured socks) to see how the r&f would react so that they are aware of just how easy or difficult it is to make future changes.

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions

    Comment from my wife: 'We're supposed to be in the last of the last days and here they have gathered together at once 700 000 people. There are sooo many deep, encouraging, amazing things that they could have said. But instead, they decided to talk about Bethelites getting to work late and tight pants. The governing body are nothing more than egomaniacs.'

  • BU2B
    BU2B

    Wow boc- that's good progress.

    i am actually happy Morris did not give an upbuilding talk. I don't think he could anyways, and every talk I have ever heard has been condescending, critical and hateful.

    I notice little things that give insight onto a persons character. When he was talking about bible studies being being down, ddf anyone notice how he said how they TRIEDto simplify the reporting system for you! He said it with such a manipulative tone.

    Also at the end when he yelled out how obedient people in the new world will have LISTEN TO GOD, OBEY THE FDS, AND BE BLESSED AND LIVE FOREVER! It was creepy to have him essentially saying. OBEY ME AND YOU WILL GET TO LIVE FOREVER! And this after his opinionated hateful rant. What right does he have to say you can't wear workout clotWes while working out!! Omg.

    The worst part was him saying ahow if you don't marry a MS or elder you are not spiritual, and the marriage is doomed! How is that even said?? Or the father of 7 lamenting his 2 youngest, WHO WERE STILL WITNESSES, just because they did not SERVE they were failures. I wonder how many felt like walking out. I wonder what JWs truly feel about that talk. No mention of mercy etc. he set the stage now for even more judgemental ism among the JW rank and file and elders. People Weill now feel justified in being hateful and petty, gossiping if they see a sister jogging in anything other than baggy sweatpants. The control was textbook cult, i wish someone could dents Steve Hassan a copy of this.

    how can anyone who has read the gospels thin JC would approve of this man or his vile words! For him to say that if you don't like this information, take it up with god as he holds up a wt printout. he is saying god wrote it! Can he get any more arrogant?? Who cannot see these guys have gotten really really full of themselves? If this is not arrogance, can a JW give me an example?

  • stuckinarut2
    stuckinarut2

    Amazing!

    I hope he "burns in hell" / "Gehenna" / or just gets a fire cracker shoved up his tight pants wearing ass!

    The most concerning part about all of this is that he honestly thinks that he is acting as a mouthpiece for Jesus himself!

    How do you spell "sick, twisted, manipulative, power hungry, and delusional"?

  • SaritaJ
    SaritaJ

    Listener: I am starting to think that this was the actual test of faith that would be presented at this meeting. The JWs on JWTalk passed the test with flying colours. It would seem that the GB deliberately came up with such stupid comments (eg coloured socks) to see how the r&f would react so that they are aware of just how easy or difficult it is to make future changes.

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    That's an interesting point.My 70 year old MIL doesn't understand all the new lights and all the back and forth changes of jw teachings.She says that it's probably Jehovah testing and sifting us. I asked her if he was doing that by giving us false information.Does that make sense?So when will he stop testing us and give us the truth? She couldn't answer that.

    Many jws will try to find an acceptable reason as to why things don't add up.But they will not accept that it's because God is not using this organization.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Comment from my wife: 'We're supposed to be in the last of the last days and here they have gathered together at once 700 000 people. There are sooo many deep, encouraging, amazing things that they could have said. But instead, they decided to talk about Bethelites getting to work late and tight pants. The governing body are nothing more than egomaniacs.' - BOC's Wife

    She is a wise woman.

    The more the GB speak in public the better.

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    They passed the test alright!! They are perfect subjects of abusive rulers! The WTBTS can downsize dramatically and carry on with its crew of sycophants.

    DD

  • Justnowout
    Justnowout

    My impression thus far is exactly what others have said: this was/is A money grab. It was designed to be an ohhh ahhhh moment to the Sheep, a little razzle dazzle with video and getting to gb members, all the while quietly pocketing all the money that would normally go to the local congregation.

    in short, its a trial balloon. nationalizing the program and keeping all the proceeds. A trial run for changing up how the economic of the organization run, the viability of combining congregations and broadcasting everyweek i susspect. It could also change up the model for conventions and rid them of having to rent expensiv facilitie.

  • OneEyedJoe
    OneEyedJoe

    Had some family over afterwards and most of the talk was either mocking morris for being a tactless bitter old man or genuine criticism of his harsh tone and clear lack of love. Still, most will forget it, as its too uncomfortable to continue to call it to mind.

    On the other end of the spectrum my elder father-in-law was waffling between criticising the hypocrisy of morris for saying about movies that they don't make rules for people, but that they should have bible trained consciences to decode for themselves - then he proceeded to make a bunch of rules (no vampires, etc). Then he'd jump back to piling on the homophobia. He was clearly trying to iron out cognitive dissonance the whole night, though. Still, once he's slept it'll be gone from his conscious mind and it'll be back to the daily routine.

    What will remain, once the dust settles, are the two most clearly manipulative statements of the day. The first has been touched on here - the mental image of having blood on one's hands for skipping serve-us one morning. That part was clearly designed to bypass the conscious and critical mind to implant a phobia directly into the subconscious. Because if you can't motivate the flock to preach because of their jesus-like love of neighbor, you need to invoke the OT god and implant a little fear and guilt to keep 'em going. The second, contrasting manipulation was during the WT summary (I think) when we were told to imagine (again, if the audience complies, they are allowing their critical thinking to be bypassed, and even if they don't like what they're told to imagine or don't believe it's realistic, the image will nonetheless be implanted in their minds) themselves having a conversation in the new system. There were also a couple times that we were essentially told that we are going to live forever, and the way it was done implied that our current life would never end (I.e. it was a more subtle "millions now living..." type statement) not just that we'd be ressurected.

    For all those thinking that this will help wake some folks up, don't get complacent. The indoctrination is powerful and subtle. If your loved one was made uncomfortable by something said, don't let them forget it. Ask questions that they won't be able to answer (can you imagine if Jesus had talked like that? Would Christianity exist if Jesus had been so harsh to his followers?) And make sure the uncomfortable part is called to mind. Every JW that has 2 brain cells to rub together will have been uncomfortable about something in that talk, but it's too costly to dwell on so they'll push it out of their mind and only the phobia indoctrination will remain. If you let that happen, then this wasn't a milestone in waking up your loved one, it was a step backwards.

    Sorry to be a negative Nancy - but this is the time to be vigilant, not assuming they've done the work for you. Capitalize on the look behind the curtain before the oppurtunity is lost.

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    TTATTElder: He thinks parents should pray in front of their children and admit mistakes and even cry during prayer.

    So he's encouraging people to be drama queens!?!

    Weird.

    These people are unhinged.

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