Dateline and Perspective

by non_trias_theos 49 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • non_trias_theos
    non_trias_theos

    $$$It is extremely unusual for someone to refer to themselves in the third person. Usually it indicates either arrogance to the extreme, or a multiple personality disorder.

    So, why do you do this? or maybe I should say - why does non do this?$$$

    Non does this in pseudo-imitation of Bill Reilly. See Reilly's show and you will know what non is talking about. Another reason non uses third person when writing is for purposes of self-effacement and to annihilate the human ego that normally motivates most mortals who are enslaved to the flesh.

    $$$Non is Dunscott.$$$

    Non is non.

    $$$While I agree with you, your thoughts don't change the fact that the WTS has a unique policy on dealing with this subject that makes them a "pedophile paradise". Would you willingly take your kids to a babysitter known to molest children? If you knew of a pedophile in your cong, would you leave your child with him/her?$$$

    Non would not say that past policies of letting the elders handle matters turns jw into pedo paradise. Who in there right mind would take children to a known molester?

    $$$Lets say there are six girls in the cong that accuse one man of molestation. There are not two witnesses to the crime, so nothing is done about it, in fact, the girls are warned to not say anymore about the matter and are told not to go to the police under threat of disfellowshipping. Would you entrust the care of your child to this man?$$$

    The two witness rule is often misunderstood. Someone has already cleared up that fallacy on this very board. If elders have inadverently covered up wrong in congregation, God will adjust such a man and he will pay for his mistakes through Caesar. If elders have wittingly covered up wrongdoing like this, they will pay to both God and the state.

    $$$What is your problem with hyperbole?$$$

    No problem with hyperbole.

    $$$Society in general is intolerant of child abuse. If "the society", aka the borg, has been more tolerant than society-in-general, and has revictimised the victims, for a long period of time, then the organization is due to be called a pedophile's paradise.$$$

    The society has not been "more tolerant" of pedos than society at large. That is not true. You are failing to see why the elders in the past did not report molestation. It was not because they were trying to hide anything. Sometimes religion and the state come into genuine conflict. Religion tries to help people spiritually. True religion tries to obey God rather than man. Sometimes true religion may make mistakes when endeavoring to do what it thinks is the right thing because of inherited sin. But changes come in time in true religion. Decent people do not have tough time understanding this matter.

    $$$Non uses the third person to distance him/herself from the argument he/she is putting forth. They can hardly tolerate the argument themselves and find it so repugnant that they employ the third person as a means of removing themselves emotionally from the subject matter.$$$

    Non hopes you are not a psychologist or something. If so, you need new job. Your analysis is way off the mark.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Non_compos_mentis said, "Two people can behold the same situation and conclude totally different things from their observations."

    Especially if one of them is insane.

  • non_trias_theos
    non_trias_theos

    $$$Non...why don't you answer some post?$$$

    Because non is one person and the apostates on the board here outnumber him 4000 to 1.

    $$$Don't you have an answer for all?$$$

    Nope. Non not all knowing.

    $$$Why don't you use that time to preach or do more upbuilding things than being on a page of apostates? $$$$$$

    Non ask himself that all the time. He rather preach to sheep than hard headed goats.

    $$$would you let your children play at his house knowing that he has admitted a "craving" for little girls, and has admitted molesting girls of all ages? the wt society admitted these are the policies, right there on dateline.....there was no twisting or "out of context" statements when it came to the societys stance on former molesters. they are clearly let back into the congregation (assuming theyve "repented", ick), and just not supposedly put in a position of authority.$$$

    A Christian must forgive repentant sinners. That is the message of Christ. Non does not like homosexuality. But what if people like Joelbear are reinstated to congregation and they still have a tendecy to like men. Would non want to go visit joelbear? Should he go alone, even though bear has repented? See the point.

    And brother Paul say that there are two kind of vessels in congregation. Some for good purpose and some for bad purpose. Brother Paul say avoid the second group. That is what non would do.

    $$$Morrisamb thinketh a show in which a young woman talks about being raped is only puny in the eyes of 'non' beholder.$$$

    Non not denigrating rape. Only saying that show is puny in relation to its effects.

    $$$Morrisamb also hath no desire to topple any religion, including Jehovah's Witnesses. He waneth sympathy for the victim, justice for the abuser, and ministers/elders (whatever) to stop making Inspector Cluesou (-pink panther) moves with life and death matters.$$$

    Non agrees with many Morris objectives.

  • Dutchie
    Dutchie

    Say Non, I'll take that bet on the destruction of the world coming soon. How much? Boy, this wil be the easiest money I ever made! It is still "right around the corner" isn't it?


  • non_trias_theos
    non_trias_theos

    $$$Non_compis_mentis said, "Two people can behold the same situation and conclude totally different things from their observations."
    Especially if one of them is insane.$$$

    Problem is

    How does one define insanity? How do one know who is insane and who is not? Normally insanus is a legal term. Does that then mean that one can only view or identify someone as insane in a legal context?

    You tell non.

    $$$Say Non, I'll take that bet on the destruction of the world coming soon. How much?$$$

    True christians do not gamble.

    $$$Boy, this wil be the easiest money I ever made! It is still "right around the corner" isn't it?$$$

    In God's eyes, it is (Revelation 1:1).

    2 Peter 3:1-4--proof of the last days

  • Hmmm
    Hmmm

    duns,

    Pedophile Paradise does not mean that we--or Dateline--claim that all, a majority, or even a large minority (though this could be debated) are pedophiles.

    Most of us don't claim that the society and the local elders WANT to protect molesters... they simply HAVE to because they MUST put the public reputation of the "happiest people on earth" above individuals.

    Do 100% of non-molesting JWs abhore such monstrous behavior? Of course! But that doesn't stop them from unwittingly and/or unwillingly supporting a structure that inhibits exposing, punishing, and preventing such behavior.

    Dateline didn't attempt to say that all JWs are pedophiles. They even said at the outset that there may not be a greater percentage among JWs than society at large. But what they effectively showed was that it is a paradise to these predators because the archaic rules in place make it very very hard to punish them--or even protect other children from being victimized--because of the air of secrecy.

    Hmmm

  • aluminutty
    aluminutty

    Detective:
    LOL:
    Ever since I read the Lord of the Rings trilogy, I couldn't stand third person usage. It reminds aluminutty of Golem, and Aluminutty thinks Golem is *creapy!
    Hmmm, Aluminutty is getting a shiver down ALuminutty's back just from reading this post. Maybe Aluminutty should stop.

    Actually, what I think is happening here is 2 people using 1 user name. Can we say WT being 7 year old sneaky, again? You know what happens to 7 year

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    natas

    Especially if one of them is insane.
    YEP!!

    In the beginning was the word and the word was with non and the word was a-non

    Sirona

    ** http://www.religioustolerance.org **

  • non_trias_theos
    non_trias_theos

    $$$duns,$$$

    You talking to non? You made a typing mistake if you are.

    $$$Pedophile Paradise does not mean that we--or Dateline--claim that all, a majority, or even a large minority (though this could be debated) are pedophiles.$$$

    Coulda fooled non. Maybe you need to unpack your hyperbolic language.

    $$$Most of us don't claim that the society and the local elders WANT to protect molesters... they simply HAVE to because they MUST put the public reputation of the "happiest people on earth" above individuals.$$$

    That is a false statement. The elders have simply tried to help all concerned--both the sinner and the victims. They may have made mistakes in their loving efforts to be helpful to all concerned.

    $$$Do 100% of non-molesting JWs abhore such monstrous behavior? Of course! But that doesn't stop them from unwittingly and/or unwillingly supporting a structure that inhibits exposing, punishing, and preventing such behavior.$$$

    The assertion that the WTS has a structure in place that protects pedos is yet to be proved. Do not beg the question until all the relevant evidence has been sifted and--if need be--tried in court.

    $$$Dateline didn't attempt to say that all JWs are pedophiles. They even said at the outset that there may not be a greater percentage among JWs than society at large. But what they effectively showed was that it is a paradise to these predators because the archaic rules in place make it very very hard to punish them--or even protect other children from being victimized--because of the air of secrecy.$$$

    Dateline does not have all the facts. Some of what they said may be factual. But the other side has yet to be completely heard. Sit and wait.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Non_compos_mentis asked, "How does one define insanity?"

    Got a mirror?

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