Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon 551 Replies latest social current

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  EndofMysteries

  pacopoolio - Interesting story about your experience with police. What led up to those things though? Did you question or not listen or anything? Did they say get out of the car and you asked why vs just doing it, etc?

  Anyway in the area I live in, the past few years almost each year a police officer has been killed on duty. Even on basic traffic stops too. Each time an officer pulls somebody over or approaches for any reason, their is a chance that that person will be armed and will attempt to kill them. Some officers may be power hungry aholes, but sometimes the aggression can be because any resistance increases their chances that this stranger may be dangerous.

  The crime statistics are not the stop and search misdemeanors, etc, the FBI posts crime statstics annually and broken down by race, gender, etc, for all crimes from theft, robbing, to drunkedness, etc. Blacks are over 50% for all theft/robbery crimes. They are far below average for drunk crimes, whites are top for that. Asians are the lowest in everything.
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  talesin

  That "black kid who was born in East LA" probably thinks that way because of his "poor education" and may have been told that he will be forever labeled, however, Talesin what about all of the other black individuals who have overcome all different kinds of adversity that they may have been born into and made success of their lives?

  "all the other black individuals"

  Yeah, spoken like a true, privileged white person. lol, I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but hell, you have NO CONCEPT in your mind, of what it's like to grow up in that situation. Go and volunteer for a few years - but wait, that would surely not be YOUR path, and I would be very surprised if you said you did. Live in poverty for a while ... I'm sure your tune would change.
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  Finkelstein

  Unfortunately this incident involved one person who was white and the other who just happened to be black.

  Cound a white drugged up drunk teenager done exactly what MB did that day ?

  Of course and the outcome could have very well resulted in the same manner as this one did .

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  The racism flag went up almost instantly right after the event happened and it hasn't let go on this trend since.

  I suspect the media to partially to blame for this.
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  Simon

  Stop and search crimes are the majority of misdemeanors, and what are used in crime statistics. Violent crime stats are something else. Guess who gets searched more, on average? I don't know what the black on black homicdes have to do with anything.

  I'm sorry, are we supposed to believe that communities that top the league by a wide margin for murder, assault / violent crimes are suddenly super-law abiding for all less serious crimes? I find that very hard to believe. Normally the progression is the other way.

  And what is "community leadership?" There's no leaders for millions of people separated by that large of a geographical divide; just people the media like to stick in front of the T.V., who do not represent the thoughts or feelings of anyone besides themselves.

  We see the same faces every time talking for and marching in front of a crown of black people so to me that makes them leaders. Personally, I think they are a bunch of useless self serving hypocritical MLK wannabes who think they are living in the 60's still and are doing their 'people' a huge disservice.

  Blacks killing blacks has nothing to do with white cops shooting blacks more often for the same things.

  Right now if you watch TV you'd imagine the biggest threat to black people was law enforcement. The reality is that the biggest threat to black people is the black community they live in. You make a claim that they are shot more often for the same things but can you back that up? This is where, in a few months time, MB will start being used as an example even though it's been debunked. If they do get shot more isn't it possible that their reaction and behaviour has more to do with things than their skin color as is the case in this incident?

  I live in downtown Detroit right now, and lived in Southfield as well. Why are you asking "why don't I live in black communities?" I just don't live in direct POOR areas with low police presence to avoid crime - that's the difference.

  Wait, I thought the police caused the crime? Are you suggesting that black people are criminal if the police aren't there to stop them?

  Most murders disproportionately happen in the poorest areas of inner cities. The poorest areas of inner cities also have less police, much worse education, etc. etc. etc. And statistically more black people. So is the problem the fact that they're black or the correlation values with the living conditions of those areas?

  I think it's both. It's because they are poor and because they are black and there are certain opinions and attitudes that are self damaging.

  Do you think it's becase they are poor or because they are black? I think it's unfair to pick and chose your stats and causes with "black" as the cause when they are the victim but "poor" as the cause then they are the perp.
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  Pacopoolio

  1st incident, some people ran past me when I was just standing there, a cop ran around, randomly picked me up by my neck and yelled at me for running from him. I guess that was understandable - I was black, and the people that were running were black, I guess.

  Later, when I still lived in Detroit neighborhoods, I was riding to Grosse Pointe, one of the richer neghborhoods, that at the time was mostly white, and happened to border Detroit. I drove past some cops, and they followed me for ten minutes, until I parked at a friends house. Looking in my rearview, they were obviously running my plates. After I parked, they put the lights on, ran up to my car, told me to open the door with my hands up and then pulled me out onto the ground with guns drawn. After checking my license and looking around, they let me go. When I inquired what I did wrong, they said "you matched the description of a guy who stole a white Ford Explorer." I had a white Jeep Cherokee (more than what would be expected of a young black teen at the time in Detroit). Given that they obviously ran the plates, could see the make of the car, etc. it was impossible that was actually the case, and I got paranoid in driving my car for quite some time (you would too, if you had guns pointed at you).
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  talesin

  Do you think it's becase they are poor or because they are black? I think it's unfair to pick and chose your stats and causes with "black" as the cause when they are the victim but "poor" as the cause then they are the perp.

  EXACTLY. The root cause of this incident is poverty, not racism. The poor are disenfranchised with the bullshit lie that everyone is equal. It is even more apparent in the African American community, which has been oppressed from DAY ONE. White, poor folks, are just 'waking up' to that fact now.

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  Pacopoolio

  Simon, no one in this entire thread said the police caused the crime. Who, exactly, are you responding to in here that asserted that?

  What about black people being black makes them commit crime? Are the attitudes shared among all demographics of black people, or the same demographic spread of other races when it comes to crime? If it's the latter, how does being black have anything; if it's the former, what's your source for this?

  I'm referring to specific isolated instances that would create a cause/effect situation with any oppressed minority in any country when I bring up historical factors in endemic poverty and lack of education (which leads to crime). Are you?
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  Simon

  Do you complain that the other 40/50% of law abiders doesn't speak up every time someone white does something wrong? Then, what in the world point are you trying to make, regarding black people?

  We don't need to. When a white person is arrested or shot for being a moron you don't get mobs of white people protesting about it and claiming it's unfair so that any "speaking up" is necessary.

  Why not? Mostly because there isn't this mass identification through skin color. I don't care about people just because we have the same color - that is rediculous.

  I trust the systems of law and justice that are put in place to know that if someone is convicted then there is a very good chance they are guilty and so why would I object to it simply becuase someone happens to be white?

  Of course miscarriages of justice happen which is why the systems should and do have safeguards, appeal processes and such.

  But you can't protest and object to every decision that you don't like simply because of race.
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  EndofMysteries

  Ahh interesting. The first one makes more sense now. I'm white but I'll say whether white or black, I am bad with faces if everyone has similar haircuts or features. A bunch of same size and build and hair style red headed guys would be as easy to confuse as black guys until longer exposure and notice the distinct features.

  The 2nd case does seem unnerving and from your point of view based on those events, I would concur it seemed unwarranted. Unless they don't know the difference between a cherokee and explorer lol.
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  Simon

  Simon, no one in this entire thread said the police caused the crime. Who, exactly, are you responding to in here that asserted that?

  It was a facetious reply to a comment you made about "black areas with the lowest police presence having the highest crime".

  What about black people being black makes them commit crime? Are the attitudes shared among all demographics of black people, or the same demographic spread of other races when it comes to crime? If it's the latter, how does being black have anything; if it's the former, what's your source for this?

  I'm referring to specific isolated instances that would create a cause/effect situation with any oppressed minority in any country when I bring up historical factors in endemic poverty and lack of education (which leads to crime). Are you?

  Yes, the povery and lack of education coupled with indoctrinated attitudes and the subsequent self-destructive behaviours that result from them.

  I don't think anyone is a criminal 'because they are black'. Being black is a factor that means that if they do happen to come from a low income area and have low education then they will possibly also have been given a narrative about the past and present which contains more anger and hatred than is useful or healthy. This 'historical factor' is what I think the reason the statistics for blacks is worse than other groups (ignoring steryotypes about strength etc...).

  Being black is not the cause or justification of anything so obviously there has to be another factor and I don't think it's possible to just blame poverty and education because other groups have those too.

  But what do I know, I'm just guessing and looking at history, what people say, statistics and what not. It could be too much rap music for all I know (old white man thinking).