by Simon 67 Replies latest jw friends
Darn...here I am scrolling through this thread hoping someone had hijacked it and actually posted some "pics"...oh well...only one thing on my mind...well, two....hmmm....actually three things!
Peter
PS. By the way...I'm in agreement with Simon, after all is said and done!
Simon, I appreciate what you are saying and I think the reminder is fine.
I think many exJWs have not been accustomed to this "new" lifestyle and have been rather confined have not learned that these sorts of things are not appropriate all the time. Many swear just to swear and many post porn just to act out their fantasy roles at JW Discussion.
We generally don't post nude pics in our living rooms but in our gym lockers or on the garage wall by the beer fridge. We generally don't swear in front of small children or in certain public environments but we might if we are upset and making a strong point to someone or in private conversation between good friends.
I think if people used the same measure of judgement and restraint that they use in real life it would go a long way to making the place more acceptable to all. I also think the password protected forum is a weak idea.
Path
You know, when I look around the hall and see my "brothers", I see mostly a bunch of people who, without the WTS mind control, would otherwise be defunct in a spiritual sense.
Devoid of faith, devoid of integrity, devoid of fellow feeling and charity.
To see so many who, after peeking behind the curtain in OZ, leave not only the BORG, but also any sense of decency, of concern for others.
I don't like most who are IN, and unfortunately, I don't like most who are OUT.
People are people ...are people. When the BORG implants are removed from most, they lose all sense. They could care less if smutting up this site ruins chances of helping others break free. The penis leads the pack.
What an attitude "I could care less for helping others break free, I want porn, porn, porn." and "I want porn everywhere, porn sites are not enough, I want it to be here, there and everywhere."
All the porn kings here are just as braindead now when OUT of the Borg, as they were when they were IN. Sad.
Oh boy, this thread is spiralling into oblivion...just thought I'd post some more thoughtlets!
Imagine a Dub who is doubting comes here. Let's say that this Dub is, oh, about 15, and they're using their parents' computer. They know that their parents monitor the sites that they go to - luckily they can come here, because this site has an innocuous name, so it won't raise alarm bells for the people reading the logs. However, if said parents decide to investigate, and find tons of obvious sex threads on the main page, then that kid will lose their chance to find out critical information about the BORG.
Surely we could email each other if we wanted to get really hot & bothered? I'm trying to take a balanced view here - I don't like the idea of the morals of the BORG being enforced on me and the other posters here, but surely we could have some sympathy for people who might be made uncomfortable by that sort of thing who would otherwise be saved by the info on this site? I like the "pr0n" threads as much as anyone else, but there are other matters to take into account too. I think we should be very lucky that Simon doesn't take a heavy hand and just ZAP everything he doesn't like. We are in fact very priviledged(SP?) indeed. Try posting some of the sexy stuff you find on this site on JWZone, and you'll see what I'm trying to get at!
Also, Simon has a very tough job...so give the guy a break!
Simon,
I totally agree. Not that I personally have a problem with bad language or pics and the such but (and judging by a lot of the responses, there are several who won't give a flying fart about this) my husband is still involved with the WTS. I have directed him here before because I thought this place was not only a place for x-jws to interact with each other but also a place where one could become informed about the things that the WTS would rather people not know. My husband will not come here anymore because of what he has been told about "apostates" by the witnesses and when he has came here the posts only AFFIRM what they've been telling him. I know that it is no one on this forums responsibility to help me or my husband but I did think that was one of the purposes for this forum. What is the point in posting and reposting exposing info (UN, blood, pedophilia) for those who already know that the borg is a crock??? If lurkers (who normally consist of those who are studying with witnesses, witnesses, family of the former, and x-jws) come here and all they see is penis this and boobies that, then they will probaby leave and all this damning info will just fall on the ears (or eyes rather) of those who have already left or made up their minds to leave.
I agree with Naeblis' suggestion.
I think that would be a wonderful compromise for all; those who come here for the interaction, and those who come here for info and for the hope of opening the eyes of the loved ones that we still have inside the borg.
Bona
In a sense, we are "guests" at Simon's house. Common sense has to dictate.
If you are invited to a gathering where all types of people (young, old, male, female, ect..), would you pass around porno? Would you discuss "swallowing" in front of a grandmother? It does not matter if you were in the borg or not. What will make us "better" than them is if we just respect each other. It's just plain ol' common sense!!!
Dear Simon,
Please don't misunderstand my intentions in my letter. I am in no way advocating that your sight be turned into a porn site--there are enough of those to find on the internet. I also don't want to ever give the impression that I don't respect all of your hard work in providing this forum. It must be a very difficult decision as to when to end threads, give warnings and deactivate people because of lack of decorum.
I guess I got worked up about this because for the first time in our lives we've actually been able to use "free speech". With that does come a certain accountability and responsibility--but we're just learning that. We are finally learning social rules in a nonconformative way--and many times we go out of bounds. I do think that being able to express ourselves about sexual things is very healthy, and that a proper place should be used for it. Although, what is acceptable is basically on your shoulders, as it is your forum.
I guess I just don't like it that it sounds as if it's for the witnesses/children who may or may not read all the posts and be offended. We DO need to keep the topics in their proper place (ie.sex, adult etc.), and we DO need to be mindful of how we may appear. But, we also need to have a place where we can be ourselves--adult, ex-jw's with lots of baggage. That's why I was so drawn to this board--a place where I could be expressive of my thoughts and speech, even if it is more colorful at times than others may like.
I very much hope that there will be some witnesses who come here and by the things they read will help them to get out from the lies. I also very much hope that at the same time we can be ourselves, even at the risk of offending others. And what I meant about not reading a thread was, when you start reading something and it doesn't appeal to you, move on. It's that simple. If you continue reading it, and disagree, you can choose to ignore it, or post a respectful response (or delete it when needed by you). I have seen many who instantly label and call names to anyone who doesn't agree with them. And that, to me, is more detrimental than any penis talk, cussing, or graphic descriptions are. That's what sounds negative to people, our attitudes towards each other.
Anyway, I wanted to make sure that you understood that I AGREE that you have to do what you have to do with this forum to keep it respectable. I get a little worked up sometimes, and this subject hit me hard for some reason. (I'm learning to vent in writing!) I'm sorry if I gave a wrong impression.
Becky
Yes, I think we are thinking along the same lines - I didn't think you had any wrong intentions or anything.
I'm all for freedom of speach and open discussion. I guess what matters is not so much what is discussed as how it is discussed. ie: is the topic really being discussed and points made or is it just a lot of posts containing things 'just cause we can'
Howdy, been out visiting with jw's "who simply cease to be active." Was great!
As for this thread? I wholeheartedly agreed with Simon, Path, ElKabong, and a host of others. A time and place.......and this is Simon's place and he's giving us this time that he's paying for.
In other words, it's his playground and he civilly (English - go figure) saying that he's wants some type of decorum here. He's never put up too many rules - which is great. I think his manners are awesome, (I would have said fucking awesome - but he said not to). Awesome indeed, ok?
waiting
Just because I am no longer one of jehovahs witnesses does not mean that I have left all moral sense and decency behind. Call me a prude if you will but all the sex and porn makes me uncomfortable and like Simon said if you want to be titilated by that sort of thing there are plenty of other places on the web for you to go. This site should be reserved for the purpose it was intended. Even a locked adult site is absolutely unwarranted, in my opinion. Why not just get your friends together and go to one of those "adult" sites together. Why must it be done here?
