Finding out Who you really are

by Sentinel 32 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    Sentinel,

    First of all, welcome to the board. You are courageous for having such a deep post for your first. Kudos!

    I think we all struggle with individualism as we exit the borg. I left at 19 thinking I was going to "be myself" in the world. But old habits die hard. I just became like the people I was hanging out with. Chameleon is a good descriptor. It didn't really click with me until about two years ago upon a very difficult point in my life. Although having been out for about 10 years, I still didn't know who I was. I figured out I couldn't love myself unless I knew myself. I'm still on the journey of finding myself and loving myself. It gets better every day. Now that I've learned to love myself, I've also found the love of a wonderful man. I guess in the past I dated men that finally got sick of my low self-esteem. Now that self-esteem is on the upswing, the rest of my life is too. Love-life included.

    I agree with you that my experience isn't so much out of my new religion, but out of my newfound spirituality. Big difference. I love having a peace about my heart and mind that even if I don't have the answers, I have the rest of my life to figure them out. And if I don't figure them out, it's okay. I'm enjoying my life to the fullest anyway.

    Even though I'm only 30, I feel like an "old soul". I'm proud of that - makes me feel good. I'm also proud of so many others here. They escaped like I did from an unloving, violent, maximum security prison. Not all of our stories are ones full of gracefullness, but we've escaped nonetheless. I think we should all be proud of that, whether we are involved in religion or not.

    Personally, I'm glad you're here and like what you have to say. I look forward to more of your posts!

    Andi

  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    Dear gb,

    Oh, but I have been to your site since my last post here. I find it intreguing. Dispite all your suffereing, you maintain a sense of humor!

    Your childhood is so much like my own. I grew up in Maryland. Most of the childhood I remember is when we lived in the old four room tenant house on my dad's parents dairy farm. We had no running water, and no bath. We had electricity, but only one outlet per room. We had the same type of heating arrangement you did. KEEP FROM FREEZING, and that was it. I still remember, the snow sifting in under our bedroom windows.I remember carrying water from the springhouse, usually after a frightening experience with the snake that always seemed to be there, when it was my turn to draw it up.Sled riding, climbing trees, building forts, hunting for blackberries was a delight. Those days were so simple....

    My father could have done better by my mom, but he was very much into himself. I never had a relationship with him, although I always tried my best to get his attention in good ways. I studied hard in school, and was a good girl. It made little or no impression upon him. He was not a hands on dad to his daughters, and we all did what we had to just to get him to "see" us. I had two younger sisters and a brother. Our happiest memories are from that old tenant house, that was torn down a couple years ago. I really can't blame my mom for clinging to some nice people who did so much for us. Everything was quite fine, until we were baptized. Everything was about numbers after that.

    Things were not normal in our family, but then who's is? Children seem to perceive things that carry with them their entire life. Cognition ingrains our minds, and so we are molded. When mom found JW's, or shall I say, they found us, she was like a sponge, and I eagerly followed along. My sibblings had to go as well, because, our dad never was there for us. I often wonder what our life would have been like, had he played a bigger part. Oh well.

    First of all, life is unfair. I didn't realize that so much until I became a JW at age 14. I grew up on fairytales and fantasies, and always thought that if I was a good girl, that good things would happen to me. I kept waiting for the good things, and was constantly disappointed. I was lonely and sad most of the time. I was always a very deep thinker, and the more I pondered over "the truth", the more I realized that "it just wasn't". That was one of the most cruelest things I learned.

    I took "the truth" seriously. Was I not meant to do that? Others that I know were not affected as deeply. Does that mean that they were not as serious as I was? Who knows. When I was disfellowshipped in '68, I wanted to kill myself, but I couldn't. I clung to the boy who showed me what womanhood was all about. (I didn't have barely a clue) Then, we got married and I had a son. I thought at last I've done something right. Actually, he is doing quite well now, at age 32. My first husband chose suicide as his exit. That is a terrible wound to my heart that will always be there.

    I remarried a wonderful man with three boys to care for. They are all grown now, and grandkids are happening, which is great. He has been very supportive through my ups and downs, as I have with him. Everyone has these weights they drag with them through life.

    Well, you see, we are really not so different after all. When I say that I don't judge people, it means that I leave them to themselves, unless they get in my face. I have no problem taking up for a good cause, but don't like to push the issue myself. I don't react well when cornered. Smile ~~

    I find that the ole golden rule works well for me. I'm done with turning the other cheek!

    Thanks for your personal site. I enjoyed your thoughts.

    Hope to see you again here.

    Friend,

    Karen/Sentinel

  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    Dear Billygoat,

    Well, gal, you are on your way. That self-esteem thing is a real drag. I was in a very bad co-dependent relationship in my first marriage, and stayed there, because the Elders said that I had to "catch him commiting adultery". Imagine me wanted to catch him doing that. It was bad enough knowing he did. But, I stayed for 14 yrs of unhappiness and low self worth. I felt like I had no choice, or I'd be labeled. Then, when I finally left, he killed himself. I hated him for that--but I never stopped loving him. I was abusing myself emotionally for along time.

    It does take a long time to find ourselves. Like I indicated in a previous post, I'm 55, and I just recently feel spiritually renewed WITHOUT RELIGION, THANK YOU. I am so very happy that you have found love. Me too. I remarried in 1985 to a wonderful fellow, and we are like two peas in a pod.

    Life is good now. I wake up in the morning happy to be alive, no matter what's going on. Life is never fair. But life is good, and we can always share our happiness and our love with anyone who is on here that needs a bit of lift. I don't have all the answers, but I've found a few, and for me, it's made all the difference in the world.

    Hope to hear more from you.

    Peace and Love,

    Karen/Sentinel

  • garybuss
    garybuss


    Karen, you wrote: <the more I pondered over "the truth", the more I realized that "it just wasn't". >

    I carried the delusion with me for about 18 years as a believing walkaway.

    You wrote: <My first husband chose suicide>

    My first wife committed a form of suicide by refusing chemo treatments for the leukemia that ravaged her because the chemo required blood medical support.

    You wrote: <When I say that I don't judge people, it means that I leave them to themselves,>

    I knew that:-)

    Later

    gb



    The Way I See it http://www.freeminds.org/buss/buss.htm

  • Panda
    Panda

    Sentinel, Welcome to your new sounding board. I enjoyed reading your well written post. The search for yourself "who am I?" will never end if you are speaking philosophically. The Who am I and Why am I questions should be asked and answered differently everyday. Because that means you are open minded to continued learning and new experiences...about yourself and everyone around you. Everyday something else takes precedence. While yesterday it may have been finding employment today will be doing a good job. So those answers become, in a physical sense relatively true. Dear Sentinel you've been free and testing the waters for a long time. The fact that life has gotten in the way is sad and I do grieve with you. But look at you now. From what I read you are strong and full of the kind of love that leads to wisdom. Here is my hand in friendship sister, Panda

  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    Panda,

    Thanks for the heartfelt reply. Actually, I haven't been "free" for very long. As recent as last October, I would cringe when mom would begin her "you're doomed to die" routine. I would allow doubt and guilt to creep back in. That perhaps JW's were right, and my heart was blinded to the truth, and I would die, just like she said. I hated the hold it had on me. The hold I allowed it to have. But, in November, I just decided that I really had a choice, and so if I allowed myself this pain, it wouldn't go away. Now it all sounds so simple, but for me, it was a personal realization, a spurt in growth. I am still, by nature, extremely guarded in many respects. I have always worn my heart on my sleeve.

    I would like to get to know you in friendship as well. I am certain we will continue to observe each other's responses to postings, and understand more about each other as time goes by.

    I hope to see more from you in this site.

    Friend,

    Karen/Sentinel

  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    gb,

    I'm so sorry for your loss...to lose a mate is very devestating.

    Along with your last post here, I left on my own accord in 1981, knowing what it would cost me. I was at one of those personal turning points in life. I was very messed up. I hated religion in general, which is really NOT a bad thing. But, then, I really had no support group. My sibblings had dispersed to very far away. I lost the friends of my youth, and the JW family. This was a big loss for me, as I had many dear friends.

    Mom sent me a letter that had about ten basic questions. Did I believe Jehovah was the true god? Did I believe Jesus was his son, etc.? Did I believe god had an organization on earth, the WT society, acting as the dispensing agent for spiritual knowledge? Blah, Blah, etc. I answered each question (like a good daughter, basically telling her I didn't know what I believed anymore) Well, that was that. Cut off totally.

    I had many guilt feelings, and thought, like you, that it was something terrible in me, that made me think these awful thoughts. But, in essence, no matter how I was thinking, I had to honor myself or else lose my mind. After a short period of time, my friends left me high and dry. They were frightened, and I didn't push the issue.

    Like you, I lived from 1981, until around '99, when my studies of psychology, affects of cults, religions, the self analysis finally kicked in. I was the one who had been my own worst enemy, because I continued to "punnish" myself all those years.

    It feels so wonderful to acknowledge my own self. To know that I am a worthy human being. I have slowly regained some very old childhood friendships, from before I was baptized in '60. These are some of my truest friends, because they welcomed me back. My mother speaks to me now, but it's all very shallow, very empty. I want to make her respect me as an adult, but she will never do that.

    Well, I'm off to get ready to sleep peaceful sleep, and dream peaceful dreams. Tomorrow is another work day!

    See Ya,

    Karen/Sentinel

  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    Zanex,

    We will probably spend our entire life trying to figure it all out. I know for a fact that I'm not the person today, that I was yesterday.

    Isn't it nice that we can work on it together!

    Karen/Sentinel

  • FreePeace
    FreePeace

    Hi Karen, check out my article below. You may find it of some value.

    Doug

    Edited to include my signature (where did it go?)

    FreePeace

    "Who Am I? --How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS"

    http://beam.to/truthquest

    Edited by - FreePeace on 12 June 2002 9:6:16

  • giantjason
    giantjason

    Sentinel,

    Thanks for you response. It really give me hope. Luckily for us My mother in law is on the other side of the country so we don't have to see her much. My wife does get stronger every day. But she has a habit of sweeping things under the rug. Kind of out of site out of mind type of thing. The problems only occur when her mother decides to come out for a funeral or a visti with family. My wife tried counseling before and it din't work well, she said the counselrer didn't understand the religion so wasn't real helpfull. Maybe we should go together. All I know is I have no problems standing up for her and I do alot, but there is a fine line, sometimes I get angry and may say things I shouldn't about her family. I have realized over the years that doing that only makes things worse. So recently I have just told her to come to me when she needs me and i will stay out of the mess unless the kids get involved. She is still very frightened of whats going to happen in the end or when she dies. This is what I want to help her with, I just wish she could understand what a crock of SHIT that religion is. Oh well, baby step I guess. You seem like a strong woman who has been through alot. I am glad that you are happy now. My wife is pretty happy most of the time, it comes and goes in phases as I am sure you know.
    Thanks again.... This board will be a big help... i hope to have my wife on it soon.</P>

    Jason

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