WHY THE PRESENT CRISIS IS UNIQUE

by You Know 104 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • seven006
    seven006

    <<<As much as I loath the apostate JW's as a group, I would never resort to trying to hurt anyone in their personal life. >>>

    What in the hell do you think your stupid ass religion does by considering us apostates does you moron? It keeps us from our families and that is a damn crime! Talk about hurting someone's personal life! Are you really that stupid Bob?

    You and the fucked up religion you love so much has done more to hurt peoples PERSONAL LIVES than anything I have ever seen. You are so busy trying to count your hours by posting on this board you are too stupid and too blind to even see that. It just pisses you off when someone doesn't play your little hour counting game by your rules.

    If you can't deal with the questions from Reborn then get the hell off the board. Anyone who has been on this board knows your real name and where you live you idiot! Your a whiny ass sniveling little child that when you get what you have been dishing out thrown back at you face you go and run to Simon crying that Reborn is being mean to you. You are such a little punk!

    Grow up dip shit! If you can't take it, don't dish it out! Your starting to piss me off again Bob. Stick to your hour counting bible bullshit game and quit your damn whining!

    You LOATH us? Well, then get off the damn board and go find another way to count your hours you ignorant hypocritical free loading blight on humanity!

  • Grout
    Grout

    Seven:

    {golf applause}

    Edited by - grout on 13 June 2002 12:21:6

  • You Know
    You Know

    7. 006

    What in the hell do you think your stupid ass religion does by considering us apostates does you moron? It keeps us from our families and that is a damn crime! Talk about hurting someone's personal life!

    But you are an apostate JW, and a very nasty one at that. Given your maniacal seething hatred of the Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses, I would say that your family is well served and protected by the arrangement from someone who obviously constitutes a danger to them.

    If you can't deal with the questions from Reborn then get the hell off the board.

    It's not a matter of not being able to deal with his questions. I could easily do so. However, I choose not to for the reasons I clearly stated. Just as I generally choose not to respond to you. It is my perogative to ignore whomever I wish, isn't it? I don't try to force anyone to respond to my challenges. That's how all forums work.

    Your a whiny ass sniveling little child that when you get what you have been dishing out thrown back at you face you go and run to Simon crying that Reborn is being mean to you. You are such a little punk!

    LOL On any given thread of mine there are usually a number of obscenties, cursings, lunatic ravings, and personal attacks upon my character. Such things don't bother me. I usually ignore them, as I am sure most readers do.

    Grow up dip shit! If you can't take it, don't dish it out! Your starting to piss me off again Bob. Stick to your hour counting bible bullshit game and quit your damn whining!

    But I can take it. I just call upon the nastiest apostates to stay within the rules of the game, that's all. Simon happened to agree with me that tampering with the board the way Valis did was inappropriate, which apparently made you go ballistic. / You Know

    Edited by - You Know on 13 June 2002 12:58:7

  • dubla
    dubla

    yk-

    Dubula,

    I thought I would start a new thread in order to discuss this thought a little further.

    thats fine, id be happy to discuss this thought a little further, but id appreciate some answers to my previous questions first. i doubt you will be willing to finish what youve started, and im sure youll think im trying to derail this discussion. im not, and ill be (as i said) more than happy to respond to your specific points on this thread......after the air is cleared on your slanderous remarks towards me.

    specifically, on the previous thread you accused me numerous times of being a liar with absolutely no proof. since when is outright slander an acceptable rebuttal? if i say "yk, you are lying with this entire post", would this make it so? should i not show how and why i believe you to be lying, or is simply accusing you enough? ive made specific accusations about your writing (hypocrisy, contradictions), and ive backed these accusations up with specific links and quotes. as of yet, you have not responded to any of the proofs i provided, because you are unable, or because you deem them unworthy. whatever the case, its there, and i do not simply toss around accusations with no proof the way you have a habit of doing. on the previous thread, there was one instance in particular where you SPECIFICALLY said to me: "thats not what you said. but, nevermind that lie". remember? for that particular accusation i posted my EXACT quotes (with a link) which proved unequivically that i did indeed say precisely what you claimed i did not. for this you had no answer, and you decided to continue the discussion on this new thread, and direct the subject matter in your preferred direction as to skip over your obvious errors (intentional or unintentional). i dont know if you truly believe me to be a liar, or if its just your way of maliciously slandering me in order to avoid actual responses (and of course in obvious attempts at discrediting all my responses). either way, it is an extremely poor way of stating your point, and whenever you accuse someone of lying, youd better have some proof. again, calling me a liar doesnt make it so. would this fall into your "thug" definition?

    It's not name calling for me to call you what you are. Someone who lies is a liar.

    and accusing someone is not proof of lying. again, numerous times youve labeled me a liar, even going so far as to call me a "pathological liar" with absolutely no proof. i challenged you with an extremely simple task: if i have indeed lied, and if i am indeed a "pathological liar" as you imagine me to be, than post these lies for all to see. here is one example for you:

    me:

    AGAIN, i have NEVER claimed that any specific calamity we are facing now has happened in the past. NOWWHERE IN MY WRITINGS WILL YOU FIND THIS, yet you continue to imply it......why the need for deceit, or is it genuine ignorance on your part? i said "calamities" had happened in the past, that we are facing new ones now, and there are sure to be NEW "calamities" in the future that we cannot even predict now.

    your response to this quote was to call me a pathological liar. if this is the case, surely you can tell me what part of this quote is a complete lie, and why. you cannot do this, because there is no lie present. i have backed this up by showing my previous statements, but you have backed up your slander with absolutely nothing. again, proving a lie is a simple task.......cutting and pasting is all that is required. i have done this to prove your lies, but you cannot.

    and again, i have no interest in derailing this thread.....we can handle your errors/lies on the other thread if you wish. i just see no reason in trying to have a discussion with you if your main intent is to continue to slander me with absolutely zero substantiation. continuing a discussion with someone who clearly has a malicious intent, and has no genuine interest in logical discourse would be pointless on my part.

    one more thing:

    I should wake up to the fact that I am dealing with a complete moron

    You are truly pathetic. The only reason I might have to be embarrassed is that I have taken so much time trying to reason with a delusional lying fool. / You Know

    You are one of the worst cases of brain-lock that I have ever come across.

    you are a a lying delusional fool.

    I have known a few pathological liars before who would believe there own lies. Apparently you are one of those.

    do you recognize the difference between stating your honest opinion of someone, and simply tossing around malicious ridicule in an attempt to discredit? my guess is that you cannot comprehend the difference, and ill tell you why. if any or all of the above statements were your honest opinion of me, you wouldnt start a whole new thread specifically directed at me. if you honestly believe im a delusional pathological liar (and a fool), that i have such severe brain-lock that reasoning with me is pointless, and that im so far below you intellectually that dealing with me is an embarrassing mistake on your part, why the need for a whole new thread to specifically discuss the topic further with ME? surely in all of your vast intellect you realize the enormous contradiction here (or perhaps you cannot see it). so, we can conclude that either A) you do not realize the contradictions in your own words and actions, or B) your slander is intentionally malicious, and in fact direct lies (if you really do not feel i am the delusional lying fool that is not worth your time).

    aa

    (boy im really fumbling around with this new easier format......and the new updates on every edit really bring my errors to light, thanks simon! )

    Edited by - dubla on 13 June 2002 13:3:21

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    Edited by - dubla on 13 June 2002 13:7:14

  • dubla
    dubla

    i just noticed this yk quote, and couldnt help myself:

    I don't try to force anyone to respond to my challenges. That's how all forums work.

    really, yk doesnt try to force anyone to respond to his challenges? hehe.....

    Larc...How about a response?
    (time 19:17)

    How about it Larc? / You Know
    (time 20:08)

    >>> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=17227&site=3

    wow, waited almost an hour before demanding a response again.

    How about it Dubula, aren't you even goingto try and weasel out of the mess you got yourself into? LOL / You Know

    What's the game plan here Dubula, are you just going to hide out until this thread scrolls away so as to save yourself any more humiliation? / You Know

    >>> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=29888&page=8&site=3

    well, i gotta admit, this instance wasnt actually yk trying to "force" a response.....more like begging for one, LOL.

    aa

  • MikeMusto
    MikeMusto

    Seven has a potty mouth . He should wash it out with soap

  • dubla
    dubla

    how about it Dubula you know, aren't you even goingto try and weasel out of the mess you got yourself into?.............what's the game plan here are you just going to hide out until this thread scrolls away so as to save yourself any more humiliation?

    aa

  • larc
    larc

    dubla,

    Thanks for posting that link to a trip down memory lane. I went back and reread that entire thread. Lot of detailed dialogue there between You Know and myself. As per usual, he eventually stopped answering my questions, addressing my facts, or even posting. He did what he does often - leave the discussion for awhile and declare victory on another thead.

  • dubla
    dubla

    larc-

    no problem..........

    yeah, yk likes to avoid the tough questions and dictate the subject matter of the discussion. this thread is a prime example.......on the "going down to the wire" thread i caught him in some pretty blatant lies, and even posted specific proofs of his fabrications, and he answered back by starting a whole new thread. interestingly enough, this new thread is directed specifically at me, yet he refuses to respond to my questions regarding his contradictions and slanderous lies. its a tough hole to dig out of when you get caught spinning deceit. he taunted me like a bully to respond to his ravings, and then was left completely speechless by my post, with his only option left being to sidetrack the spotlight away from his humiliation, and over to the points that HE deems worthy. its pathetic, but as you know, its predictable.

    aa

  • Bleep
    Bleep

    Thanks for the site but this was no reason for disfellowship it was a great warning and should be read. There are dangers in all we do.

    November 1999: Kingdom Ministry: Internet Use

    USE OF THE INTERNET - BE ALERT TO THE DANGERS

    Jehovah's people enjoy wholesome association with one another. They enjoy sharing experiences from the field ministry and appreciate hearing about events that occur in connection with Jehovah's Witnesses and the Kingdom work around the globe. They like to be informed about anything outstanding that may happen to our brothers, such as a crisis or a natural disaster, and they want to know if there is something they can do to help. Such interest shows the unity of the brotherhood, proving that we do indeed love one another. -John 13: 34,35;
    Today, we hear about world events quickly. Radio and television broadcasts give live coverage of events in full detail to audiences all over the globe. The telephone also makes it possible to communicate immediately with people around the world. In communications a recent phenomenon that is taking the world by storm is the Internet. -See Awake! July 22, 1997.
    The invention of the telephone opened the way to fast personal communication world- wide. Although the telephone is very useful, caution is needed in the way it is employed, as it can be a tool for improper association or activities, and overuse of the telephone can be expensive. Television and radio have potential in the field of education. Sadly, though, much of the programming is morally corrupt, and attention to it is a waste of time. Wisdom dictates that we be very selective in the use of television and radio.
    The Internet enables one to communicate inexpensively with millions of others throughout the world, and it opens the door to vast amounts of information. (Awake! Jan 8, 1998) The indiscriminate use of the Internet, however, can expose a person to great spiritual danger and moral dangers. How is this so?
    Many are concerned about readily available information that shows how to build weapons, including bombs. Industry complains about the amount of time workers waste using the internet. Much has been stated in our publications about the obvious spiritual dangers encountered on the Internet. Numerous Web Sites present violent and pornographic material that is entirely unsuitable for Christians. (Ps 119: 37) In addition to these dangers, there is a more insidious danger that Jehovah's Witnesses in particular need to be on guard against. What is this danger?
    Would you invite a stranger into your home without first finding out who he is? What if there was no way to find out? Would you allow such a stranger to be alone with your children? This is an indisputable possibility on the Internet.
    Electronic mail can be sent to and received from people you do not know. The same is true when you converse electronically in a forum or in a chat room. Participants may at times claim to be Jehovah's Witnesses, but often they are not. Someone may claim to a youth when he or she is not. Or a person may even falsely claim to be of a certain gender.
    Information passed on to you may come in the form of experiences or comments about our beliefs. This information is passed on to others who, in turn pass it on to still others. The information is generally not verifiable and may be untrue. The comments may be a cover for spreading apostate reasoning. -2 Thess 2: 1-3;
    With this danger in mind, if you use the Internet, ask yourself: 'What do I use it for? Is there a possibility that I could be harmed spiritually by how I am using it? Could I be contributing to the spiritual injury of others?
    WEB SITES OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES: Consider, for example, some Internet sites set up by individuals who claim to be Jehovah's Witnesses. They invite you to visit their web sites to read experiences posted by others who claim to be Witnesses. You are encouraged to share you thoughts and views about the Society's literature. Some give recommendations about presentations that could be used in the field ministry. These site offer chat rooms for individuals to connect to, allowing live communication with others, similar to talking on the telephone. They often point you to other sites where you can have online association with Jehovah's Witnesses around the world. But can you tell for certain that these contacts have not been planted by apostates?
    Having association via the Internet may not be consistent with the recommendation found at Eph 5: 15-17. The apostle Paul wrote: Keep strict watch that how YOU walk is not as unwise but as wise [persons], buying out the opportune time for yourselves, because the days are wicked. On this account cease becoming unreasonable, but go on perceiving what the will of Jehovah is."
    The Christian congregation is the theocratic means through which we are fed spiritually by "the faithful and discreet slave" (Matt 24: 45-47) Within God's organization, we find direction and protection to keep us separate from the world as well as motivation to keep busy in the work of the Lord. (1 Cor 15: 58) The Psalmist indicated that he experienced joy and a feeling of security among God's congregated people. (Ps 27: 4,5; Ps 55: 14; Ps 122:1) The congregation also provides spiritual support and assistance for those associated with it. Therein, you can find a group of loving, concerned, and caring friends - people you personally know they are ready and willing to help and comfort others in time of distress. (2 Cor 7: 5-7) Congregation members are protected by the Scriptural provision for disfellowshipping those who sin unrepentantly or who promote apostate thinking. ( 1 Cor 5: 9-13; Titus 3: 10,11) Can we expect to find these same loving arrangements when associating with others via the Internet?
    It has become apparent that the opposite is true. Some Web sites are clearly vehicles for apostate propaganda. (Ahem, H20) Such Web sites may claim otherwise, and those who sponsor a site may give a detailed explanation to affirm that they truly are Jehovah's Witnesses. They may even request information from you in order to verify 'you' are one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
    Jehovah wants you to exercise discernment. Why? Because he knows that it will safeguard you from various dangers. Pr 2: 10-19 opens by saying: "When wisdom enters into your heart and knowledge itself becomes pleasant to your very soul, thinking ability itself will keep guard over you, discernment itself will safeguard you from what? From such things as "the bad way" those leaving upright paths, and people who are immoral and devious in their general course.
    When we go to the Kingdom Hall, there is no question that we are with our brothers. We know them. No one requires authentication of this because the brotherly love manifested make it obvious. We are not personally required to provide credentials to prove that we are one of Jehovah's Witnesses. It is here that we find true interchange of encouragement that Paul spoke about at Heb 10: 24,25; Web sites that encourage on-line association cannot be depended on to provide this. Having in mind the words of Ps 26: 4,5; can alert us to dangers that could easily be encountered when using Web sites on the Internet.
    There are no limits or checks on the kind of information that is maintained by and accessible to Internet users. Often, children and teenagers are easy targets of crime and exploitation in this environment. Children are trusting, curious, and anxious to explore the relatively new world of cyberspace. Parents therefore need to supervise their children and give them sound Scriptural guidance about using the Internet, just as they would guide them in their choice of music or movies. 1 Cor 15: 33.
    Sadly, some who were once our brothers and sisters have had to be disfellowshipped because of association that started be meeting worldly individuals in chat rooms on the Internet and eventually led to immorality. In shocked disbelief, elders have written that some actually left their husbands or wives to pursue a relationship that began on the Internet. (2 Tim 3: 6) Other individual have disowned the truth because of believing information provided by apostates. (1 Tim 4: 1,2;) Given these very serious dangers, does it not seem reasonable to be cautious about becoming involved in chat sessions on the Internet? Certainly, exercising the wisdom, knowledge, thinking ability, and discernment spoken of at Pr 2: 10-10 should safeguard us in this.
    Noticeably, there have been a number of individuals who have created Web sites ostensibly to preach the good news. Many of these sites are sponsored by indiscrete brothers. Other sites may be sponsored by apostates who wish to lure unsuspecting ones. (2 John 9-11) Commenting on whether there is a need for our brothers to creates such Web sites, "Our Kingdom Ministry" November 1997, page 3, stated: "There is no need for any individual to prepare Internet pages about Jehovah's Witnesses, our activities, or our beliefs. Our official site (www.watchtower.org) presents accurate information for any who want it"
    STUDY AIDS via the INTERNET? Some have felt they are rendering a service to the brothers by posting researched information in connection with various theocratic activities. For example, a person may do research based on a public talk outline and then post this, thinking that such information will benefit those who need to prepare the same outline. Others will post all the Scriptures for an upcoming Watchtower study or provide source material for the Theocratic Ministry School or the Congregation Book study. Some may offer suggestions for field ministry presentations. Are such really helpful?
    The publications provided by Jehovah's organization stimulate our minds with up- building thoughts and train us "to distinguish both right and wrong" (Heb 5: 14) Can we say that this is achieved if others do our research for us?
    The Beroeans were spoken of as "more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica" Why? Because "they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things where so" (Acts 17: 11) Although Paul and Silas preached to them, they could not make the truth their own without becoming personally involved.
    Using another person's research for a talk or for other meeting preparation really defeats the purpose of personal study. Is it not your desire to build up your own personal faith in God's Word? Based on personal conviction, you can then make public expression of your faith-in your talks, in comments at the meetings, and in the field ministry. (Rom 10: 10) Using another person's research does not fit the description given at Pr 2: 4,5; to personally "keep seeking and searching for the very knowledge of God as for his treasures".
    For example, when looking up scriptures in your own copy of the Bible, you can briefly review the context of each scripture. You can "trace all things with accuracy" as did Luke when he wrote his Gospel. (Luke 1: 3) The extra effort will also help you to be skillful in looking up scriptures in the ministry and when giving talks. Many have stated that they are impressed with Jehovah's Witnesses because they know how to use their Bibles. The only way that this can apply to us is if we make it a practice personally to look up scriptures in our own Bibles.
    USING OUR TIME WISELY: Another consideration in this regard has to do with the amount of time spent creating, reading, and responding to information posted on the Internet. Ps 90: 12, encourages us to pray: "Show us just how to count our days in such a way that we may bring a heart of wisdom in" Paul stated: "The time left is reduced" (1 Cor 7: 29) And further: "Really, then, as long as we have time favourable for it, let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to us in the faith" Gal 6: 10;
    Such counsel highlights the need for us to be judicious in the use of our time. How much more profitable it is to spend time reading God's Word! (Ps 1: 1,2;) That is the best association we can have. (2 Tim 3: 16,17) Parents, are you teaching your children the value of using their time wisely in Kingdom pursuits? (Ecc 12: 1) Time spent in personal and family Bible study, meeting attendance, and field ministry far outweighs time spent browsing the Internet, expecting to gain benefits.
    In this regard, it is the course of wisdom to focus our attention on spiritual matters and on those things relevant and essential to our lives as Christians. This calls for the making of well- considered choices respecting the information that merits our time and thoughts. As Christians, that which is relevant to our lives is summed up by Christ, who said: "Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these [other] things will be added to YOU." (Matt 6: 33) Are you not happiest when your life is filled with Kingdom pursuits rather than any other activity?
    INTERNET E-MAIL: Although sharing personal experiences or thoughts among family members or friends who live far apart is appropriate, is it really loving to pass these on to others who may not know your family or friends? Or should these be posted on a Web page for just anyone to read? Are these personal messages to be copied and sent indiscriminately to people whom you may or may not know? Likewise, if you receive from others that were clearly not intended for you, is it loving to pass them on to still to others?
    What if the experience you pass on is not accurate? Would this not be sharing in perpetuating an untruth? (Pr 12: 19; Pr 21: 28; Pr 30: 8; Col 3: 9) Certainly, keeping strict watch that how[we] walk is not as unwise but as wise persons" would move us to consider this. (Eph 5: 15) How happy we are that the 'Yearbook' the Watchtower' and Awake! are filled with verifiable experiences that encourage us and motivate us to keep walking in "the way"! Isa 30: 20,21;
    There is also another danger: The apostle Paul said concerning some: "They also learn to be unoccupied, gadding about to the houses; yes, not only unoccupied, but also gossipers and meddlers in other people affairs talking of things they ought not" (1 Tim 5: 13) This agues against spending time and effort passing on frivolous information to our brothers.
    Think, too, of the amount of time that it takes to keep up with a large quantity of E- Mail. Interestingly, the book Data Smog stated: "As one spends more and more time online, e-mail quickly changes from being a stimulating novelty to a time-consuming burden with dozens of messages to read and answer every day from colleagues, friends, family, ... and unsolicited sales pitches" Further, it states: "Many electronic glutizens have picked up the very bad habit of forwarding every entertaining nugget they receive jokes, urban myths, electronic chain letters, and more - to everyone on their electronic address book".
    This has been evident in the E-mail circulated among many of the brothers - such items as jokes or humorous stories on our beliefs; illustrations from various talks heard at assemblies, conventions, or at the Kingdom Hall; experiences from the field ministry; and so forth - things that seem innocent enough. Most routinely forward such E-mail without checking the source, making it difficult to know who really is the originator, which ought to make one wonder if the information is really true. Pr 22: 20,21;
    Such often - frivolous messages are not the kind of healthful words that Paul had in mind when he wrote to Timothy, saying: "Keep holding 'the pattern of healthful words' that you heard from me with the faith and love that are in connection with Christ Jesus" (2 Tim 1: 13) The "pure language" of Scriptural truth has "the pattern of healthful words" based mainly on the Bible's theme of the vindication of Jehovah's Sovereignty by means of the Kingdom. (Zeph 3: 9) We should make every effort to devote all our available time and energy to support this vindication of Jehovah's Sovereignty.
    Since we are deep in the time of the end of this system of things, this is not time to let our guard down. The Bible warns us "Keep YOUR senses, be watchful. YOUR adversary, the Devil, walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour [someone]". (1 Pet 5: 8) It further states: "Put on the complete suit of armor from God that YOU may be able to stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; (Eph 6 11
    If misused, the Internet can be a means by which Satan overreaches those who are seduced by its power. Although it may have limited usefulness, there is danger if it is not viewed with caution. Parents especially need to be concerned about their children's use of the Internet.
    Keeping a balanced view of the Internet is a protection. We appreciate the timely reminder by Paul: Let .. those making use of the world [be] as those not using it to the full; for the scene of the world is changing" (1 Cor 7: 29-31) Having these things in mind will help keep us and our families from becoming distracted by all the world has to offer, including what is available on the Internet.
    It is imperative that we stay close to our brothers in the congregation and use the remaining time wisely, thus making ourselves available for the advancing Kingdom interests. As this system nears its finish, let us "no longer go on walking just as the nations also walk in the unprofitableness of their minds" but let us "go on perceiving what the will of Jehovah is" Eph 4: 17; Eph 5: 17;

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