by LDH 95 Replies latest jw friends
Larc,
You asserted that where you lived the congregation was helpful to the pioneers. It wasn't until much later that you related your own experience.
My God, that's what you call "playing a game", "showing one card at a time"?
I was called on my statement, I responded.
You don't have to respond, you have explained yourself quite well!
The Watchtower has nothing to fear from xJWs, they are quite capable of shooting themselves in the foot just as well as the Tower!!!!
IW
I don't ever recall meeting a pioneer, who pioneered to get something or even hoped to get something from pioneering. Most that I met were quite apprehensive about even starting to pioneer, cause they felt they wouldn't be able to make it. Most recognized that serving as a pioneer would be a a big sacrifice and were willing to give up a lot in the way of tme, potential earnings and a lot of other things to fit pioneering into their lives. The really big problem isn't the fact that some are not helped out by the congregations where they serve. Rather it's the fact that so many are sacrificing so much FOR NOTHING.
ONE....
bigboi
UMMMMM OK because IW has managed to make it sound like we needed to be financially supported by the congregation and we are bitching because they didn't do it.......
LET'S draw a distinction right now between supporting someone's lazy ass and a token of appreciation.
I don't think I would've reg. pio'd for four years with no monetary support if I really needed it, DUH.
We are on two different tracks, IW. I'm glad your experience was good; quite frankly, I could name several pioneers from my old cong who had 'good' experiences. WHY? Because my parents and about 5 other people did MORE than their share.
But did the children of those same people *EVER* benefit from their parent's generosity? Even so much as a "You're doing a fine job in Field Service?"
HELL NO. The Presiding Overseer in my cong. wanted to have me removed as a reg pio at the end of my fourth year because I missed the quota by some 12 hours. Now I could have lied, but I didn't, because like RHW I put in the time as honestly as I could.
And the reason I missed my quota? My father almost died due to a medication mix-up. He was in the hospital for two weeks at the end of the service year.
That elder was successful in having me "resign" before I got "fired."
By the way, he was the same elder who lived in the ghetto ass apartment for $125 that got plenty of green handshakes from my family.
WHATEVER IW.
Lisa
Lisa,
UMMMMM OK because IW has managed to make it sound like we needed to be financially supported by the congregation and we are bitching because they didn't do it.......
No, that is not what I was saying. You seem to need your opinion validated and any who post a contrary experience to yours must be wrong.
Let me state again, my experience in the Org. was different than yours, that's all I was trying to say. Why is this some sort of challenge to your integrity? It is not meant to be!
You want to know about me? You want to know what I have suffered? You want to know who shit on me? What elder laughed in my face, what the psuedo-judicial committee had to say? How many times I cried because of an unkind word or act? How my own fleshly sister "turned me in"?
Damn, NO! I will not say it! Why? Because this board is full of the same damn shit!
What I am trying to do woman is give the other side, because whether you or anyone else likes it or not, THERE IS ANOTHER SIDE!
IW
You want to know what I have suffered? You want to know who shit on me? What elder laughed in my face, what the psuedo-judicial committee had to say? How many times I cried because of an unkind word or act? How my own fleshly sister "turned me in"?
Yeah! NOW you're talkin'. Please go on!
Island Woman, I still don't understand your position. In your last post you indicate that you went through some bad times, but earlier you say that as a pioneer you were helped. I am glad you were helped. The the fact is, based on those who have come forward with their experience, most were not helped like you were. Now, I accept that you were, in fact, helped. Nonetheless, you should not deny the testamoney of those who were not helped. I just don't understand why this is an issue with you.
My older brother and his wife went to Papua New Gineau to pioneer. That's *special pioneer*. They were barely able to live on the allowance paid by the Society and I used to sent them parcels of goodies. I used to pray that they would be helped by Jehovah. My parents sent them money for trips home and for emergencies. This was one of the nails in the truth coffin for me - because after a long time I came to the realisation that I could stop praying and just keep sending the goodies and relying on my parents to help my brother.
Actually my brother is now 55 and still as poor as a church mouse. He eventually came back from PNG but they could never get on their feet financially after that. They ended up with 3 kids and they are still renting and live from hand to mouth. I find it quite pitiful to see how they struggle still.
Marilyn
Island Woman..if you're still here.....I was not saying that a congregation can't treat a pioneer well. Please read the black words and not the white spaces in between. We are just sharing our experiences and if there happens to be a number of them pointing out a conflict regarding what is said as opposed to what really transpires, so be it. But to conclude that we are saying no pioneer was ever treated properly, would be like me asking you, from your post,' are you saying Island Woman that all pioneers have never been mistreated ? It wouldn't make sense to conclude that from what you said. Likewise, once again, we are not saying that all congregations are neglectful of their pioneers. It's just our experience.
lest I forget...thank-you Island Woman for your courage to add to this site. I believe we need each other to get through whatever it is we've been through. Peace to you.
Larc,
Nonetheless, you should not deny the testamoney of those who were not helped. I just don't understand why this is an issue with you
I feel somewhat silly responding to this. Let me repeat what I have already stated, I am in no way trying to refute the statements of others who claim mistreatment or neglect! Sigh..... I am only relating what in general were my experiences and that of my husband's!
How many times do I have to say that I am relating MY experiences and while doing so I do not in any way mean to say that what others have said is not true!
Good Grief people! Sometimes you are just as thickheaded as the JWs!
IW
