WORLD OF LIES COMING UNRAVELED

by You Know 155 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  You Know

  Pistoff asks

  Is there anything left to say?

  Perhaps you are at a loss for words at the moment? At any rate, Jehovah is certain to have something to say. "I have kept quiet for a long time. I continued silent. I excercised self-control. Like a woman givin birth I am going to groan, pant, and gasp at the same time." (Isaiah 42:14)

  If a "doctrine" as central and fatal as the blood policy is flawed and without merit, then how can we believe anything they say? How do we decide what is right and what is wrong? Hmm.........by our own decisions..

  Here's the way it works: If a person abstains from blood based solely upon what the Watchtower has said, they are indeed a mere follower of men. On the other hand, if a Witness has full faith in Jehovah and seeks to obey the injunction to "abstain from blood" because it is the word of Jehovah, then their course has some merit with God.

  I wanted to stay in because my family is all there, i am not df'd yet, but damn.

  That's the wrong reason. No wonder you were so miserable. The ONLY reason anyone should want to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses is because it is Jehovah's will. Again, anything less than that and you are no different than anyone else who has a religon but not a faith.

  HOW in hell did I ever allow myself to be so deceived?

  What I have observed is that people are deceived because they want to be deceived. Just like you want to believe everything the apostastes are feeding you because it gives you what your heart wants and you don't have to think too much for yourself. Your screen name in fact betrays you as a person who acts from emotion without rational thought. For Jehovah's Witnesses it is easier to let the Watchtower dictate all aspects of faith rather than deal with such matters on a personal level. The danger there is, of course, that a person's faith in Jehovah may imperceptably erode even though outwardly they are still going through all the motions expected of those having the true faith. The way it is set up to go down is that the severe trials and hardships that are certain to come upon the organization during the oncoming tribulation will winnow out everyone that doesn't have absolute faith in Jehovah God.

  Hope that helps / You Know
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  YouKnow: Surely "Apostate Dub" is an oxymoron? I have yet to meet a Dub who is an Apostate! Or at least, an Apostate who'd be a Dub! (Some do stay as under-cover pseudo-Dubs to maintain contact with Assimilated family members, but that doesn't mean that internally they consider themselves to be Dubs).
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  You Know

  Surely "Apostate Dub" is an oxymoron?

  No, I don't think so. In my opinion most Apostate Dubs are actual morons and not mere oxymorons. / You Know
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  dubla

  yk-

  i thought you were done with this thread.....

  In closing out this thread, and in answer to your question,

  perhaps you just meant you were finished talking with me on this thread.?. and if thats the case, then why this comment in apparent anticipation of my response?:

  Dubula must be away from his computer today? / You Know

  so, you basically ask me for a response, but then deem my response unworthy of further discourse on your part? just wondering, as you did claim to be "closing out this thread", yet here you are again.

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  You Know

  Dubula

  I have been away from my desk for a while and a few days ago "Pistoff" responded to this thread, so I thought I would take the time to respond to him. You shouldn't feel neglected, after all, I have spent a good bit of time responding to you, and probably will do so yet in the future. / You Know
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  dubla

  yk-

  dont worry about little ol me, i dont feel neglected......i just thought it was interesting that you taunted me to reply, and then dissapeared only to return and respond to a poster that wasnt even discussing the thread topic.

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  You Know

  Dubula said:

  if the whole system falls apart tomorrow, what then? what should i be so afraid of?

  That's pretty stupid. Are you meaning to imply that when all men become faint out of fear that you won't have anything to worry about? As I have said many times, you are delusional. My motto is: Panic now before the rush!

  as i said before, god (according to your bible) and only god will judge my heart when that happens, and i have no fear of this judgement.

  The scripture says that "it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the true God." Perhaps you just don't have the good sense to fear Jehovah, but at some point you will.

  If the system falls apart tomorrow, there is absolutely nothing i can do to stop it....so why should live in constant fear of it (as you assume i do)?

  I didn't say that you live in constant fear. I said you desperately want to believe that it is not going to end. There is a difference, because apparently you have succesfully deluded yourself into believing the fiction that it is not going to end. Ask yourself this, if you knew for certain that it was the end of the line would you live your life any differently? I believe that most sane people would answer 'yes' to that question.

  ive said many times that i do indeed believe the end of this system will come....ive only maintained that i doubt itll happen in my lifetime, and that your version of how its going to happen is ridiculous.

  You are certainly entitled to an opinion on that issue. I don't begrudge you that. But the fact remains that the system is even now in the process of disintigrating, so unless you are in your 80's and at death's door, the system is most defintely going to collapse in your lifetime.

  YK: because I am on record as one anticipating nuclear war and financial collapse, then, I should have gained an enormous amount of credibility

  with who? the apostates on here are beyond help according to you, so who would you have gained this "enormous amount of credibility" with? the lurkers? wow, after the internet falls, good luck tracking down the few lurkers that actually read your blubberings......

  I don't believe that all those presently disaffected from Jehovah's organization are necessarily beyond redemption. As far as the Internet going down, I don't know that that is a given either. I am proceeeding as if it will stay up or come back up after the intial shock wave passes. I don't know, and of course, neither do you. As far as people reading my posts, over the years I would imagine that it has amounted to several thousand. My posts seem to generate as much interest as any. You certainly seem to spend a good bit of time reading my "blubberings." LOL

  believe me, most of them no doubt put you on their "ignore" list long ago. for most readers you are nothing more than the town drunk so to speak....the local madman raving in the streets.

  Yes, of course. But what happens when the system blows out as I have been talking about for some time? Then apostates will be totally discredited and be revealed as absolute lunatics, and again, if the Internet stays up, I will be one of the few people with any freeness of speech and credability. Who knows, then maybe you might come to your senses?

  wow, thats a great goal, lol. your life really revolves around this hope you have to have the last say, doesnt it? you are more pathetic than i previously thought. again, our exchanges are nothing more than a time burner for me....but for you its your lifes work. it truly is sad.

  Actually, yes. Seeing that apostate dubs claim to know the truth about the truth and have made many many accusations against us, as well as Christ and Jehovah himself, it is important that Jehovah allow his Witnesses to have the last say. I intend to lay claim to what Jehovah offers in that respect. Although I didn't mean to imply that our having the last say will be confined to this tiny forum.

  / You Know
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  SYN

  Surely "Apostate Dub" is an oxymoron?

  No, I don't think so. In my opinion most Apostate Dubs are actual morons and not mere oxymorons. / You Know

  I knew I shouldn't have used that word!
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  Crazy151drinker

  Dear NUMNUTS/ YOU KNOW NOTHING

  "And Germany hyperinflated it's currency in order to pay off the reparations. That's exactly what the U.S. has done, they are hyperinflating the dollar to keep the stock market and the economy from collapsing. "

  Our current rate of inflation is around 3%. This is not hyperinflation. Hyperinflation is in the realm of 1000%+ . So you are WRONG, Deal with it! (I read somewhere that Germany's post WWI inflation rate was about 1,000,000%! Thats a far cry from 3%! ---DUMBASS!)

  "And the demonic principalities and their human counterparts that brought about the conditions necessary to put the Nazis in power also triggered the 1929 Wall Street collapse, which made WWII inevitable. "

  JW's supported the Nazi party so I guess that makes you a human counterpart to demonic principalities.

  YOU KNOW, I thought the world was supposed to end in 1975? Why the change???
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  dubla

  yk-

  That's pretty stupid. Are you meaning to imply that when all men become faint out of fear that you won't have anything to worry about?

  ill have plenty to worry about im sure, but i do know someone who lives off the land up in the nw, and im quite sure hed welcome me in with open arms. i think hes probably got a few years worth of ammunition and supplies saved up, so it wouldnt be the end of his existance if the financial system crashed. of course, it would be a big adjustment living in the mountains, but at least i wouldnt have to spend so much on dry cleaning every week.

  Ask yourself this, if you knew for certain that it was the end of the line would you live your life any differently?

  yes i would, and i agree that most sane people probably would. the point is that we dont know for certain that this is the end of the line.....and you think you do know for certain. many witnesses thought they knew for certain that 1975 was going to be the end of the line, and they sure lived their life differently, didnt they? did it pay off? who benefited more, the ones that sold their houses and quit their jobs, or the disbelievers that moved ahead with new promotions?

  As far as people reading my posts, over the years I would imagine that it has amounted to several thousand. My posts seem to generate as much interest as any. You certainly seem to spend a good bit of time reading my "blubberings." LOL

  plenty of people, myself included, read your posts...no doubt. i was referring to the "target audience" that you speak of. has that "target audience" now changed to include all of us?

  as far as me reading your blubberings, sure i do. i also enjoy good fiction.....surely you know this by your constant references to the spiderman comics i read growing up. unfortunately for you, generating interest has little to do with being factual, or even important. speaking of the web-crawler, did you see the interest spiderman the movie garnered in its first week? the three-headed unicorn usually generates quite a bit of interest at the circus too.

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  Edited by - dubla on 15 July 2002 15:23:27