Mom - Why do you treat me like the damned!

by zenpunk 46 Replies latest jw friends

  • blondie
    blondie

    zenpunk, sometimes I think abusive people seek out the JWs because it gives them an approved framework in which to abuse and manipulate their family members. I know some think it makes people abusive but I think it is more the other way around based on my background and training in abusive familes.

    I know it is small comfort to know that your mother would probably just have found another excuse or reason to manipulate you. If it wasn't the JW philosophy it would be something else.

    Recognize this as abuse and protect yourself. If a dog has a reputation for biting, how many bites will you give it, and how close are you going to get to it?

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    HI Zen,

    Hugs to you, it sounds horrible! I can sort of relate to what youre saying, but my mum isn't as bad. She does talk to me and she does help me out. The thing is there is still this underlying attitude that "you'll never be happy unless you are JW" and she deliberately assumes that I will always be unhappy as part of "the world".

    Recently both my mum and stepdad have repeatedly upset me with their constant criticisms and put-downs.

    I suppose all we can do is show love to them and hope that one day they'll come round.

    Sirona

  • NoMoreJW
    NoMoreJW

    My story is similar but I was the one to join and my non JW family disowned me! Even years after leaving the org they dont want to know me. Theres a saying: "You can choose your friends but you cant choose your family".

    Mike.

  • pandora
    pandora

    Gopher-

    My daughter is 10 now. We have had the discussion about religion. My stand on it is that she can do what she wants when she is old enough to research what people are telling her. She understands this. I have told her a very light version of why she doesn't see my mom that often. Above all, I have been honest with my daughter about things such as that. When she asked, I answered. I did it as nicely as possible, while still maintaining honesty. She knows that what happened to me will NEVER happen to her, because she has a choice and I respect that.

    My youngest sister sits with the same problem you have. Her children are young and she lives close to mother. Mother will call only to ask to pick up the kids and will ignore her during the switch. I think it is discusting.

    I had it easier than her. When Mom would act up, I could just say no to seeing my daughter. I live much farther away. So mom didn't try too hard. Sometimes mom would drop in unanounced but she always spoke to me. My husband would have thrown her out if she was that rude to me. Plus, he didn't want to talk to her, so he would hide in the computer room. Mom had no one else to talk to.

    My daughter has had a couple weeks with my mom (when she was a baby) and a few visits as she has gotten older. She barely knows my mom and I don't mind that much. She has seen what happens to me when my mother enters the room and she doesn't like it. She loves her mommy and doesn't like her to be upset. Since my daughter has both of my X-husbands divorced parents families to consider grandparents and my Father's family (my mom and dad are divorced), and more recently my fiance's parents, she doesn't feel slighted. Now I know that part was just pure luck, but you asked how she deals.

    I hope I didn't ramble on too long. It's really a long story, ya know? 10 years, at least. I hope I answered your question somewhere in there.

    -P(J)

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    It breaks my heart to hear that others of you are going through what I've gone through. I hate it. I can't imagine going through this with children. But then again my parents live in Hawaii and I live in Dallas - things might not be too different.

    I do want to say that it's NOT just JW parents. My paternal grandmother is one of the most bitter, judgemental, critical people I know. I cannot stand being around her. I leave feeling belittled, depressed, and angry. It's why I don't see her, but once every three or four years now. It's no wonder my father can't show me unconditional love. He's never experienced it himself. Now I feel sorry for him.

  • josephus
    josephus

    sorry kiddo.

    i cant think of how to help you, but maybe if you are considered an apostate BE ONE.

    TELL HER WHATS WRONG WITH JWS.

    MAKE HER DEFEND IT.

    if she ignores you it to her shame. if she tries to defend herself, youll crush her.

    my thoughts are with you whatever you do.

    love

    josephus

  • blacksheep
    blacksheep

    (Sorry in advance if this lacks punctuation: seems to be a problem I'm having when I try to post!)

    Wow, the patience and tolerance some of you seem to be able to exhibit just amazes me. I'm really torn right now : similar story, but my struggle with how to handle it certainly doesnt come close to some of the high roads you folks have been taking. I even thought about starting another thread on this, but I think Ill just share my story here, since some of yours seems to make mine seem almost trivial.

    Bottom line, is my mom/sister are die hard witnesses, and I am DAd. My father and brother never were baptized, so theyre treated quite differently. My dad seems to want to do the united front thing, which even complicates things further.

    Anyway, we had a big falling out before the birth of my first child. I wasnt married, but I am a professional, self-supporting woman in a very long-time relationship, so its not like I was an unwed-needy mother, etc. I didnt even tell my MOTHER, anyway, I told my father, because I figured it wouldnt go over well with her. Anyway, mom gets on the phone and offers out of the blue that shes NOT going to tell the rest of my family about my condition. Now, I could care less WHOM she tells about it, but she at that point I got quite sick of her snide, controlling comments and decided I didnt want to subject my child to that sort of attitude. We had a big blowup about everything, and my dad defending my moms JW position, and further, blamed me for getting baptized at 13: whatever treatment I got now because I left after that commitment I apparently deserved. Great. HE was never baptized because he doesnt believe the crap, but he holds his daughter to that cult-commitment because of his wife?? So much for paternal concern.

    Anyway, when I got no reply to an email that I was moving back to their town, I decided to not attempt to contact them again.. Its like they want ME to come crawling back, so that they are in control. About a month before the birth I get a call from Dad saying lets let bygones be bygones: we want to be a part of your life. Mom talked to me briefly because she had to get to a meeting at the KH. They all came to the hospital for the birth (even though I REALLY didn't want them to), acting like loving/doting friends/family.

    Anyway, they were all friendly, for a while, when the baby came, and then it tapered off dramatically. My parents had moved out of town and visit occasionally, my mom making it clear that shes attending this family graduation, or that family gathering with my sister, and that shed like to stop by our house in between meetings, events, etc. to see her grandchild. No mention of ANY invites of me to these gatherings.

    At first we just made sure to schedule our situations around their 1-2 hour visits. But now, Im really getting to resent the whole situation. My mom continues to make it clear that theyre just visiting because they are in town attending this or that family event, to which Im not invited. The visits are strained. And now, Im ready to have our second child, and I KNOW they all expect to be around, be invited to the hospital, etc. You know, Im thinking: Im not invited to THEIR life events. WHY are they assuming theyll be invited to MINE? I dont particularly want them there at the birth, with all the phoniness, etc. Its like they EXPECT to be at any major events I have, esp the happy ones, but I cannot come to any of THEIR family events because their might be other JWs there.

  • blacksheep
    blacksheep

    (sorry, here's the rest of my Loooong post describing my dilemma:)

    I guess what Im saying is Im heading down another path than a lot of you. Not sure its the right one. Im thinking this shunning and control needs to be countered. Ive got feelings too. Im tired of being treated like a second class family member, and it being supported by my father, whose a non-jw. Why subject my kids to that strained, weird relationship? To me its like shunning is a two-way street people. Its a control thing, and Im sick of trying to be controlled by their doling out their affections whenever they decide its appropriate or in their best interests. DH says he thinks I should confront them directly: hes sick of my moms snide comments.

    Im thinking just to quit being available and NOT mention when I go into the hospital. If they want to visit the baby later on OUR terms fine. What do you think: direct confrontation again, just make myself available when I truly feel like it, or bite the bullet for the sake of maintaining a relationship, however, strained, with my family for the sake of my kids?

    Any thoughts/feedback, Id welcome. Otherwise, thanks for the opportunity just to vent. It helps and at the same time greatly saddens me, to know that there are other people out there in similar or even worse situations{sigh}

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    (((((Blacksheep)))))

    Why subject my kids to that strained, weird relationship?

    Why subject yourself to that relationship either? Treat and protect yourself like your own child and I can guarantee you wouldn't let your folks get away with it. One of my new exercises is to imagine myself being a child. Would I get down on myself the way I do? Would I be so self-critical? No. I wouldn't let others treat ANY child they way I've allowed myself to be treated.

    To me its like shunning is a two-way street people. Its a control thing, and Im sick of trying to be controlled by their doling out their affections whenever they decide its appropriate or in their best interests.

    You're absolutely right. Which is precisely the reason I am now NOT contacting my family. If they want to call and ask about stuff in my life, that's fine. If I'm available I'll share stuff with them. But I'm not volunteering information like I always have. I'm not calling them only to be cut short because of having to go out in service or to a meeting. I'm not emailing them only to be either 1. ignored or 2. told how I need to "come back to Jehovah."

    My parents already know I'm getting married this October. Hearing how they won't come really broke my heart. I cried and was upset for weeks. That was really the breaking point for me. When Neil and I have children, my parents will hear about it through the grapevine. I'm not calling them to share a thing. My advice is to just do a "fade" with the folks, like many hear do with the congregation. If your parents wonder why you've not talked to them in ages, just explain you've been busy LIVING.

    I understand what you're going through. I truly do.

    Andi

  • giantjason
    giantjason

    Wow, it's crazy how many lives this religion ruins. My wife has been DF'd for 10 yrs or so. here Parents are the same way. We have had many problems because of this. My wifes mother came to see my son when he was born and after seeing the way she treated my wife, I told her I would never watch it again. I told her I couldn't come between her and my wife but I could stop her fromm seeing my kids. I asked her to try to be just a grandma and mother and not a spiritual guide to my wife and son. Obviously she didn't like it because she rarely calls. When my duaghter was born(her only granddaughter) she wanted to come out again, somehow she jusstified to herself that it would be ok to stay at our house. I told my wife hell no. She will never see my kids in this manner. My wife was not happy but understood. Her mother has attempted a few times to see the kids(luckily she lives 3000 miles away so it doesn't happen often). My wife finally told her not too long ago, that unless she could forget about the DF and put religion aside we wanted nothing to do with her. Her mother replied "their just going to die in the end anyway so whats the point in trying" true JW ways, turn you back, run and hide. It makes me sick.

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