You didnt say it would end in 1975 but your idiotic WT did. You agree with them on all the other junk they spew, why dont you agree with 1975????? Why dont you do some research into WT publications in the early 1970's? You will see that they predict the world will end in 1975! Deal with it! Im sure there are some links around here to the documents.....
Is There a HELL ??
by 67mustang 49 Replies latest watchtower bible
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SYN
No, Bleep, the Tower stopped telling us when the world is going to end because they finally realized that it's NOT GOING TO! *doh*
Let me try do some special Tower-style sauce for you:
If you got onto a bus to go to work every morning, and asked the driver to tell you when you hit your street, but he didn't tell you EVERY MORNING and you were late for a century and a quarter (every week), would you trust that bus driver to decide whether your children can live or die on the operating table?
Note: I need to revise my previous statement about the world not ending. I just heard that Timberlake got Spears pregnant and the child is due any day now. Uhoh. Maybe the Dubs WERE right after all ROFL!!!!!
Edited by - SYN on 19 July 2002 19:42:26
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Rev BII
Bleep,
"Jesus gave us life again by cleansing us of all sins after we die. The wages of sin is death. We first must die or live long enough to pass threw to the new system. At that time we are made perfect since Christ will rule on earth as he rules now in heaven since 1914. We have one chance (one thousand years) to prove we are good. If someone is on the side of Satan when he is let loose then he will have the second death. If you have any questions Rev Bill, I will try to the best of my ability to help clear some things up or get you started."
- Well Bleep you could start by telling me where I find the passage in the Bible that tells this story of a thousand years long chance. Not that it doesnt have its appealing sides, but we have to stick to the Bible. On the contrary Matt. 25:31-46, John 5:28-29, 2 Kor. 5:10 and Heb. 9:27 all testifies to the clear message that all accountable are judged for their deeds when Christ returns and after this given either immortality or 2nd death. Im also curious where the Bible tells us Jesus reigns up in heaven since 1914.
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Edited by - Rev BII on 19 July 2002 20:55:51
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OUTLAW
I`ve been to Hell! It`s any place WBTS rules.That would include the Kingdom Hell in your local community...OUTLAW
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Tammie
HELL WILL BE ANY PLACE THAT THE WATCHTOWER IS AT. Heck that was why I got the HELL outta there.
Edited by - Tammie on 19 July 2002 22:51:20
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SPAZnik
hell schmell.
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Bleep
Then Jesus Christ will rule as King over this earth for 1,000 years. (Revelation 20:6) He will gradually take sin away from our minds and bodies. We will become perfect humans just as Adam and Eve were before they sinned. Then there will be no more sickness, old age, and death. Sick people will be cured, and old persons will become young again.-Job 33:25; Isaiah 33:24; Revelation 21:3, 4.
During Jesus' Thousand Year Reign, faithful humans will work to turn the whole earth into a paradise. (Luke 23:43) Also, millions of dead ones will be resurrected to human life on the earth. (Acts 24:15) If they do what God requires of them, they will continue to live on earth forever. If not, they will be destroyed forever.-John 5:28, 29; Revelation 20:11-15.
God's original purpose for the earth will thus succeed. Would you like to share in these future blessings? If so, you need to keep learning about Jehovah and obeying his requirements. Attending meetings at the local Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses will help you to do so.-Isaiah 11:9; Hebrews 10:24, 25.
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Bleep
When you have time to real all this you may. The last paragraph has the date of 1914.
FOR THOUSANDS of years persons with faith in Gods government have looked forward to the time when it would begin its rule. For example, the Bible says that faithful Abraham was awaiting the city having real foundations, the builder and maker of which city is God. (Hebrews 11:10) That city is Gods kingdom. But why is it here called a city? This is because in ancient times it was common for a king to rule over a city. So people often thought of a city as a kingdom.
The kingdom of God was real to Christs early followers. This is shown by their keen interest in its rule. (Matthew 20:20-23) A question in their minds was: When would Christ and his disciples begin ruling? Once when Jesus appeared to his disciples after his resurrection, they asked: Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time? (Acts 1:6) So, are you eager to learn when Christ begins to rule as King of Gods government, even as Christs disciples were?
THE GOVERNMENT FOR WHICH CHRISTIANS PRAY
Christ taught his followers to pray to God: Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth. (Matthew 6:9, 10) But someone may ask: Has not Jehovah God always ruled as king? And if he has, why pray for his kingdom to come?
True, the Bible calls Jehovah the King of eternity. (1 Timothy 1:17) And it says: Jehovah himself has firmly established his throne in the very heavens; and over everything his own kingship has held domination. (Psalm 103:19) So Jehovah has always been the Supreme Ruler over all his creations. (Jeremiah 10:10) However, because of the rebellion against his rulership in the garden of Eden, God arranged for a special government. This is the government for which Jesus Christ later taught his followers to pray. Its purpose is to end the problems caused when Satan the Devil and others turned away from Gods rulership.
This new Kingdom government receives its power and right to rule from the Great King, Jehovah God. It is his kingdom. Over and over again, the Bible calls it the kingdom of God. (Luke 9:2, 11, 60, 62; 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10; 15:50) However, since Jehovah has appointed his Son to be its Chief Ruler, it is also referred to as Christs kingdom. (2 Peter 1:11) As we learned in an earlier chapter, 144,000 persons from among humankind will rule with Christ in this kingdom. (Revelation 14:1-4; 20:6) So the Bible also refers to it as their kingdom.Daniel 7:27.
Some persons say that the Kingdom began its rule in the year that Jesus returned to heaven. They say that Christ began ruling when he poured out the holy spirit on his followers on the day of the Jewish festival of Pentecost in the year 33 C.E. (Acts 2:1-4) But the Kingdom government that Jehovah arranged to end all the problems created by Satans rebellion did not begin its rule then. There is nothing to show that the male child, which is Gods government with Christ as ruler, was then born and began its rule. (Revelation 12:1-10) Well, did Jesus in any way have a kingdom in the year 33 C.E.?
Yes, Jesus then began to rule over his congregation of followers who, in time, were to join him in the heavens. Thus the Bible speaks of them, while they are on earth, as being taken into the kingdom of the Son of [Gods] love. (Colossians 1:13) But this rule, or kingdom, over Christians with the hope of heavenly life is not the Kingdom government for which Jesus taught his followers to pray. It is a kingdom over only the 144,000 persons who will rule with him in heaven. Down through the centuries they have been its only subjects. Thus this rule, or kingdom of the Son of Gods love, will end when the last one of these subjects with a heavenly hope dies and joins Christ in heaven. No longer will they be Christs subjects, but they will then be kings with him in Gods long-promised Kingdom government.
BEGINNING OF RULE IN THE MIDST OF ENEMIES
When Christ returned to heaven after his resurrection, he did not start ruling then as King of Gods government. Rather, there was to be a time of waiting, as the apostle Paul explains: This man [Jesus Christ] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God, from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet. (Hebrews 10:12, 13) When the time came for Christ to begin to rule, Jehovah told him: Go subduing [or, conquering] in the midst of your enemies.Psalm 110:1, 2, 5, 6.
Does it sound strange that anyone would be an enemy of Gods government? Yet not everyone wants to live under a government that requires its subjects to do what is right. So after telling how Jehovah and his Son would take over world rulership, the Bible says, the nations became wrathful. (Revelation 11:15, 17, 18) The nations do not welcome Gods kingdom because Satan misleads them into opposing it.
When Gods government begins its rule, Satan and his angels are still living in heaven. Since they oppose Kingdom rule, right away war breaks out. As a result, Satan and his angels are thrown out of heaven. At this, a loud voice says: Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ. Yes, the rule of Gods government begins! And with Satan and his angels removed from heaven, there is rejoicing there. On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! the Bible says.Revelation 12:7-12.
Is this also a happy time for the earth? No! Instead, there is the greatest time of trouble the earth has ever had. The Bible tells us: Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time. (Revelation 12:12) So this is an important point to remember: The start of the rule of Gods kingdom does not mean immediate peace and security on earth. True peace will come later when Gods kingdom takes full control of the earth. This happens at the end of the short period of time, when Satan and his angels will be put out of the way so that they can no longer cause trouble for anyone.
But when is Satan thrown out of heaven, thus causing trouble on earth for a short period of time? When does Gods government begin its rule? Does the Bible give an answer? We should expect that it would. Why? Well, because long in advance the Bible foretold when Gods Son would appear first as a human on earth to become the Messiah. In fact, it pointed to the very year that he became the Messiah. What, then, about the even more important coming of the Messiah, or Christ, to begin his Kingdom rule? Surely we would expect that the Bible would also tell us when this would happen!
But a person may ask: Where does the Bible foretell the very year the Messiah appeared on earth? The Bible book of Daniel says: From the going forth of the word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Leader, there will be seven weeks, also sixty-two weeks, or all together 69 weeks. (Daniel 9:25) These, however, are not 69 literal weeks, which amount to only 483 days, or a little more than one year. They are 69 weeks of years, or 483 years. (Compare Numbers 14:34.) The command to restore and rebuild the walls of Jerusalem was given in 455 B.C.E. (Nehemiah 2:1-8) So these 69 weeks of years ended 483 years later, in 29 C.E. And that is the very year that Jesus came to John to be baptized! On that occasion he was anointed with holy spirit and became the Messiah, or Christ.Luke 3:1, 2, 21-23.
WHEN GODS GOVERNMENT BEGINS ITS RULE
Well, then, where does the Bible foretell the year that Christ begins to rule as king of Gods government? It is in this same Bible book of Daniel. (Daniel 4:10-37) There a giant, heaven-high tree is used to represent King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. He was the highest human ruler at that time. However, King Nebuchadnezzar was forced to know that someone higher was ruling. This one is the Most High, or the King of the heavens, Jehovah God. (Daniel 4:34, 37) So, in a more important way, this heaven-high tree, comes to represent the supreme rulership of God, particularly in its relationship to our earth. Jehovahs rulership was expressed for a time through the kingdom that he set up over the nation of Israel. Thus the kings of the tribe of Judah who reigned over the Israelites were said to sit upon Jehovahs throne.1 Chronicles 29:23.
According to the Bible account in Daniel chapter four, the heaven-high tree was cut down. However, the stump was left, and bands of iron and of copper were put on it. This would keep the stump from growing until it was Gods time to remove the bands and let it start growing again. But how and when was Gods rulership cut down?
In due course, the kingdom of Judah that Jehovah had set up became so corrupt that he allowed King Nebuchadnezzar to destroy it, to cut it down. This happened in the year 607 B.C.E. At that time Zedekiah, the last king of Judah to sit on Jehovahs throne, was told: Lift off the crown. . . . it will certainly become no ones until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him.Ezekiel 21:25-27.
So Gods rulership, as represented by the tree, was cut down in 607 B.C.E. No longer was there a government to represent Gods rulership in the earth. Thus, in 607 B.C.E. a period of time began that Jesus Christ later referred to as the appointed times of the nations, or, the times of the Gentiles. (Luke 21:24; King James Version) During these appointed times God did not have a government to represent his rulership in the earth.
What was to happen at the end of these appointed times of the nations? Jehovah was to give the power to rule to the One who has the legal right. This One is Jesus Christ. So if we can find out when the appointed times of the nations end, we will know when Christ begins to rule as king.
According to Daniel chapter four, these appointed times would be seven times. Daniel shows that there would be seven times during which Gods rulership, as represented by the tree, would not be in operation over the earth. (Daniel 4:16, 23) How long are these seven times?
In Revelation chapter 12, verses 6 and 14, we learn that 1,260 days are equal to a time [that is, 1 time] and times [that is, 2 times] and half a time. That is a total of 3 1/2 times. So a time would be equal to 360 days. Therefore, seven times would be 7 times 360, or 2,520 days. Now if we count a day for a year, according to a Bible rule, the seven times equal 2,520 years.Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6.
We have already learned that the appointed times of the nations began in the year 607 B.C.E. So by counting 2,520 years from that date, we come down to 1914 C.E. That is the year these appointed times ended. Millions of people still living remember the things that happened in 1914. In that year, World War I began a period of terrible trouble that has continued to our day. This means that Jesus Christ began to rule as king of Gods heavenly government in 1914. And because the Kingdom has already started its rule, how timely it is that we pray for it to come and wipe Satans wicked system of things from the earth!Matthew 6:10; Daniel 2:44.
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Rev BII
Hi Bleep
"Then Jesus Christ will rule as King over this earth for 1,000 years. (Revelation 20:6) He will gradually take sin away from our minds and bodies. We will become perfect humans just as Adam and Eve were before they sinned. Then there will be no more sickness, old age, and death. Sick people will be cured, and old persons will become young again.-Job 33:25; Isaiah 33:24; Revelation 21:3, 4."
- The promises are to those that have citizenship in Israel, without being buried with Christ, you are without hope (Rom. 6:8, Eph. 2:12).
"During Jesus' Thousand Year Reign, faithful humans will work to turn the whole earth into a paradise. (Luke 23:43) Also, millions of dead ones will be resurrected to human life on the earth. (Acts 24:15) If they do what God requires of them, they will continue to live on earth forever. If not, they will be destroyed forever.-John 5:28, 29; Revelation 20:11-15."
- Those verses are not saying that. Luke 23:43 speaks of the restored earth, which will be finally restored after the 1.000 years. The other verses say that people will come out of the graves to either life/immortality or condemnation. When Christ returns, the mortal population will be those not called to judgement. These will have children in the Kingdom, while those counted worthy to the Kingdom and the reign when Christ returns will not (Luke 20:35-36). That way the earth will be filled.
"God's original purpose for the earth will thus succeed. Would you like to share in these future blessings? If so, you need to keep learning about Jehovah and obeying his requirements. Attending meetings at the local Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses will help you to do so.-Isaiah 11:9; Hebrews 10:24, 25."
- I have yet to see any passages in the Bible telling of the above Gospel. It's not there in the apostles preaching. Look here:
Acts 3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. 22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
That message is clear. Repent now and receive the Kingdom or be destroyed. The thing is, one you get down in the grave with Jesus, you don't come up to life.
Consider..
God Bless
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COMF
If there is, then the god who created it and who sends people there to be tormented for eternity is the most evil, loathsome thing in existence. No hope for justice, love or mercy from such a being.