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Incense_and_Peppermints

(((((BONEZZ)))))

so much heartbreak

too many hearts broken

i'm sorry

love,
~incense

Derrick

Two additional thoughts came to mind after my initial post,

1. If she doesn't have a change of heart now, you can take comfort in knowing that one of these days she and her husband may decide to renew their vows with you at her side.

2. I'm starting to become a subscriber to the Hawking physics theory that there is a parallel universe for every possible outcome of every particle driving events and existence. That is a very broad unfathomable number of universes short of infinity, but less than infinity. (For all practical purposes the number of parallel universes might as well be infinite from our tiny perspective.) Of course if it is finite then when the end is reached, the answer to the age old question on God's universal sovereignty will be answered. Take note that to extrapolate on this physics theory, in some of those outcomes of Hawking's parallel universe theory your daughter is tearfully asking if you would walk her down the isle. Unlike some cynical people who believe that "reality bites," I tend to think that scientists are discovering that real physics is working in our favor because it builds in a level of redundancy that nullifies the effect of negative outcomes.

As an aside, all universes are parallel but our minds seem to organize events in space-time in a linear model, so Hawking theorizes in his book A Brief History of Time. Humans might consciously experience each universe one-after-another rather than in parallel, which is too confusing for our minds. The parallel universe theory is awesome because it implies there is a universe in the array, one with infinite minor permutations, where every single one of us is "immortalized" in lives we personally consider as good, meaningful. Probably we will find universes where the Watchtower Society is actually beneficial to mankind in its charitable mission, and competent men and women were on the Governing Body. In some of the rare universes God may even give mankind a glimpse of what it is like to live in paradise on Earth, finding the cure to aging and other diseases, colonizing the local planetary systems, and drawing close to God through emphasis on spirituality and prayer. Science is discovering there is more to God's creation of "time" than initially meets the eye. "Time" is very possibly the glue that connects this universe to heaven. The seemingly strange flow of events through universes, perhaps, is as blood flowing through God's veins.

Derrick

Edited by - Derrick on 8 August 2002 23:38:40

sunshineToo

First, {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{BONEZZ}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} I am very sorry about your situation. I'm sorry Bonezz for I have to say this, but I think your daughter is .........oh, forget it. I'm not going to say it. This is a matter of principle.

PandaJ wronte:

Not trying to be mean, but if you raised your child as JW her whole life, you raised her to act exactly as she is. I am not saying you are totally to blame, but just because you decided to leave the JW's doesn't mean everyone else you know is required to do it, or throw away their beliefs, especially ones that you taught them.

Bonezz is not asking his daughter to leave the org. or "throw away their beliefs". A FATHER WANTS TO WALK HIS LITTLE GIRL DOWN TO THE AISLE! I believe and was told by an elder, too, that this kind of situation is one of those "matter of conscience" thing.

Have the WTS changed their policy on this???? This is so inhumane. I bet they don't talk about this kind of thing to their return visits.

Bonezz, NEVER EVER think that you have hit the bottom.

Edited by - sunshineToo on 8 August 2002 23:56:0

LDH

((((((((((BONEZZ)))))))))))

Man, I really feel for you.

If you can take one more piece of unasked for advice. Write her a letter, tell her about all the things you watched her do as a baby, toddler, child, pre-teen, teen and now young lady.

Tell her exactly how much you were looking forward to proudly standing by her side.

Just ask her to follow her heart, not a bunch of man made rules.

I hope it helps. Please let us know.

Lisa

Quotes

Bonezz,

I wish I could think of something to say to help you through this very difficult time, but I am not so gifted. All I can say is do your best to be the "better person" in all of this. Your natural reaction may be to "fight fire with fire" and shut out your daughter, not attend the wedding, etc. However this will likely result in furthering the gulf between you two, and you certainly don't want that.

You are not responsible for the separation and general relationship unease The Society (TM) fosters, but you can ensure that your actions do not foster acrimony and animosity. If you truly love your daughter, be there for her at the wedding, video the event like it is the most important thing in your world, and she will feel your love.

Just imagine having a conversation with her in a few years, after (cross your fingers) she is no longer a JW, at least she will be proud of the memory that you were there for her, even when she was trying to theocratically push you away. Maybe your actions could plant the seed that blossoms into free-thinking.

And no matter what happens, remember that you have friends right here on this discussion board. If you don't believe me, attend an "Aposto-Fest" (if you haven't already) and you will see.

We're here for you man!

sunshineToo

I second that, Quotes!

YoursChelbie

So sorry to hear this is happening to you.

I can't imagine my children telling me anything like that.

(((Bonezz)))

I do hope she changes her mind. YOU are her DAD!

There are no words to express my dismay......

YoursChelbie

Lost Diamond

Bonezz,

I can't express the hurt that I feel for you more than all the friends here have. My heart goes out to you....truely. Hang in there!

PandaJ

Bonezz is not asking his daughter to leave the org. or "throw away their beliefs" A FATHER WANTS TO WALK HIS LITTLE GIRL DOWN TO THE AISLE!! I believe and was told by an elder, too, that this kind of situation is one of those "matter of conscience" thing.

Again, I don't know his situation but I will respond as if he raised his family as JWs:

Just like birthdays, etc. Yes, they are 'conscience matters' but we all know what that means as a JW. Don't do it or you are spirtually weak. I am just saying, he raised his children to be JW's and then he decided to leave and now believes that the WTS is evil. Maybe he shouldn't have devoted his life and his childrens lives to an organization like that? And since he did, even though he got out, he taught his childrens those beliefs and now he is regreting it.

IMO He is not a total innocent victim in this situation.

Cath

(((((((Bonezz)))))),

I have just been dealing with the hurt my daughter caused me. I know that if my girls father was not allowed to walk them down the aisle it would devestate him and he never was a dub. You bring up your kids and you think you have done the right thing by them only to be kicked in the teeth. I don't know what to say but I wish you well.

PandaJ, how insensitive can you get. Bonezz may or may not have brought his children up in the borg but you can be quite certain he brought them up with only love for them and trying to do the best for them and in that case I do believe he is the innocent victim. OF THE WATHTOWER CULT. If he had known from the beginning that they were evil then do you think he would have subjected his kids to thier control? I think not.

All the very best to you Bonezz and hang in there.

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