Anyone still bothered by the demons? (page 11)

wednesday

zechariah,

hi this is wednesday-the person who started this thread. As u see i took quite a beating but it was nice to openly be able to debate things. It si hard for me to tell from your post if u are still active in JW. Currently i am inactive, but still believe most of the things i was taught., I frimly believe in the existence of a spirit world-both good and bad. No matter if i never walked into a KH the rest of my life-it would never occur to me to doubt the existence of God or the the spirit realm. My question originally had to do eith anyone still experinecing demon problems? I still do occ. The account i related seemed to smeo to call into question my sanity. I din't feel just by virture i'd had an experience with demons mean't i was nuts-but i got quite a lot of people who felt differently. I still maintain-and this is backedp up by sociology and my therapist-id a belief is intergal to a religion or culture-then the fact we all believe it by itself does not make us nuts. In other workd, u can't judge a person's sanity baised soely on the belief of this thing.

Through the years i have known jw who seemed to have more than their share of dmon problems. Others never had any.My husband who is a faithful witness and never ever looked into occcult stuff personally had an awful experience while we were liivng in acertain house(btw it was the same house wher i had my experience). My husaband is a very logiacl person and not given to hysterics. he knwe he'd had a real experinece.

Many o the board say theat when u leave the jw and their belief in the demons they will cease to exist. I don't agree, but its a happy thught and if it works for them-great. wednesday

Edited by - wednesday on 13 September 2002 9:42:5

rem

No matter if i never walked into a KH the rest of my life-it would never occur to me to doubt the existence of God or the the spirit realm.

That is sad.

rem

Crazy151drinker

Sorry Zach,

Bad dreams are not caused by DEAMONZ, and wett dreams are not caused by ANGELS.

DEAMONZ are not out their controlling the World.

Satanus

Jesus could cast out demons w a word. At the end of the book of mark, he said all his followers would be able to do that. He said it was a confirmation that he was with them. So, why are dubs always running away from demons? That shows they aren't following jesus, he isn't with them. Don't you see that there is something wrong w the jw org???

SS

rem

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties.
* Francis Bacon

I respect faith, but doubt is what gives you an education.
* Wilson Mizner

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt.
* Bertrand Russell

There lives more faith in honest doubt,
Believe me, than in half the creeds.
* Lord Tennyson

[Common sense is] the beliefs that are common to contemporary plain men in Europe and North America, i.e. roughly, the beliefs which such persons imbibe uncritically in their nurseries and have never found any reason to doubt.
* Charley Dunbar Broad

If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.
* Descartes, Principles of Philosophy, 1644

Once we thought the earth was flat--
What of that?
It was just as globos then
Under believing men
As our later folks have found it
By success in running round it;
What we think may guide our acts,
But it does not alter facts.
* Charlotte Perkins Gilman (His Religion and Hers, 1923)

rem

Edited by - rem on 13 September 2002 14:12:5

Zechariah

Reply to: Crazy151drinker,

Sorry Zach,
Bad dreams are not caused by DEAMONZ, and wett dreams are not caused by ANGELS.
DEAMONZ are not out their controlling the World

My enlightened understanding of what a man is caan properly be described as a phsically embodied spirit creature.

I believe that our dreamstate has been designed by the creator as a means we can communicate for a good part of every day with the rest of the sprit world. These communications can be private ones between our inner selves and our outward physical selves. It is a time we free of our bodies and travel outside the world of form. We are more vunerable than any other time to spirit influences. The angelic spirits of love, peace, joy, and happiness make for pleasant dreams. Contrary the spirits of fear, hate, mistrust and hopelessness envokes bad dreams. Your opinion is appreciated but IMO misinformed.

Zechariah

rem

Zechariah,

Your opinion is appreciated but IMO misinformed.

I'm glad you qualified that your 'enlightened understanding' is just your opinion and is not backed up by any evidence.

rem

Zechariah

REM,

Do you possibly perceive the things you have quoted are advocating never being sure of anything. It doesn't at all say that to me.

I am willing to believe in God whether or not there is evidence to do so. There is no benefit in not believing. I rewrote the serenity prayer in line with faith. It goes ike this:

God give me the faith to believe the things it benefits me to.

To reject the things that offer no benefit.

And the wisdom to know the difference.

Zechariah

SaintSatan,

Jesus could cast out demons w a word. At the end of the book of mark, he said all his followers would be able to do that. He said it was a confirmation that he was with them. So, why are dubs always running away from demons? That shows they aren't following jesus, he isn't with them. Don't you see that there is something wrong w the jw org???
SS

I do not know for sure whether you are directed your post to me or not but I agree with you 100%. JWs are the most unspiritual organization there is. They like the Pharisees of Jesus say did not believe in miracles or angels. Miracles are not possible for those who do not believe.

Zechariah

rem

Zechariah,

Do you possibly perceive the things you have quoted are advocating never being sure of anything. It doesn't at all say that to me.

Nope. To me it means that anyone who is on a search for truth must at some point in their life doubt things that they "know".

I am willing to believe in God whether or not there is evidence to do so.

Good for you. But then why do you not believe in Santa Claus whether or not there is evidence? I'd be happy to believe in God, Santa, Demons, et al if there is evidence. By the way... which god do you believe in? There is just as little evidence backing Zeus and Brahma, why do you chose the Christian god over them? Certainly not by evidence, because there is none for any. The choice is irrational. A believer of things without evidence is the definition of an irrational person. You have chosen to disbelieve in a myriad of gods, but you held on to one. Have you ever even considered the possibility that there is no god?

There is no benefit in not believing.

Interesting logic. What, to you, is the benefit of not believing in Zeus? :) But I do think there are benefits to non-belief in imaginary gods. There is the benefit of not being deluded in a fantasy world. The benefit of not being superstitious and paranoid about demons and the spirit world. The benefit of never having the possibility of being entagled in an organized religion and all of the negative things that come along with that (time, money, etc.). The benefit of seeing all men as equal, instead of all of the religious prejudices prevalent in the world today (muslims vs christians). The benefit of deciding the best way to live my own life, instead of relying on an old book written by ancient goat herders. The benefit of not being encumbered by cognitive dissonance. The benefit of being free from barbaric traditions and ceremonies. The benefit of being a rational person and the self respect that comes along with it.

It seems to me that you have been taken in by "Pascal's Wager". I just hope for your sake that if there is a god (or gods) you chose the correct one(s). :)

rem

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