The long awaited Dossier on Iraq UK Position (page 3)

Realist

DEMOCRACY DOESNT EXIST:

excellent! i think this is most obvious in the US.

ThiChi

Democracy? We are a Republic, know the difference?

You can go on and on about the US. But compared to past world powers in history (Rome, etc.,), we are by far the most amiable and humane. Our actions after WWII proved this.

Edited by - thichi on 24 September 2002 15:50:59

How many lives are you willing to have the US lose before we have sufficient excuse (in your unhumble opinion) to attack Iraq? It's not enough that Hussein is aiding and abetting terrorists. That the connection between Al Qiaeda and Iraq has been established? Do we wait until a nuclear bomb has gone off in NEW YORK Harbor, or Charelston, Or LA before we attack? The problem is, once the bomb goes off there's no way of tracking it. The fact that Hussein has thumbed his nose at the UN Resolutions, that he is in VIOLATION of those resolutions, that he has aided and abetted Terrorists, that he has made an attempt to kill a former US President, these alone are MORE THAN AMPLE reasons to take out the insane MF before he gets nukes.

Yerusalyim

Realist,

You are a historical revisionist! Hitler would have made a few REASONABLE demands? No, Hitler laid out what he intended to do in Mein Kampf, and it was no less than the political and military dominance of Europe, and the Elimination of those whom he hated, Jews first.

You need to read history instead of Neo Nazi publications. Hitler did his best to STAND IN THE WAY of Jews leaving Germany. What else about history do you wish to rewrite?

Edited by - Yerusalyim on 24 September 2002 15:59:33

Crazy151drinker

Realist,

Before the war started, Hitler begin to experiment on the elderly, handicapped, and other 'unwanted'. He continued during the war with attrocious studies on Twins and jews trying to determine how to breed the MASTER RACE. If you think he would have stopped if he won the war you are NUTS. The idea that hitler just wanted old german territory back is wrong. Hitler used this propagada to get the peoples support. If thats all Hitler wanted he would have stopped when he had it (which was at the VERY beggining of the war), but he didnt, he took over ALL of EUROPE.

Obviously England would have been taken over since England was at war with Hitler BEFORE the U.S. got involved. And you think Hitler wouldnt have used an A-bomb??? What are you smoking! Hello! Have you read about his desire to have the A-bomb?? His obsession with Big Guns, Missles, and Jet Planes?? Lets not forget that the VAST majority of our Nuclear Techs were German. Einstien anyone???? Hello, he suggested building the nuke in the first place. The Germans out Tech-ed the Allies in Almost every situation! (The saving factor being allied Radar).

Hitler was a poor General and made bad decisions. If he had lost his obsession with burning London to the ground (in retaliation to British fire bomb attacks) then he would have taken over England. Before the British attack, the RAF was on the verge to being completely destroyed. It was idiocy that changed his target from the RAF and Industry to London.

The Japanese attack was a blessing! If it didnt happen we wouldnt have gone into war.

And as far as Hitler not wanting to be at war with the U.S. It was HITLER who declared war on US. We declared war on the Japanese and then Hitler Declared war on us. SIMPLE. Even then, it took us quite a while to get over there and get things started.

Japan had already taken over CHINA, and the Majority of south east Asia+ the Phillipines. They took over singapore and a bunch of british colonys. Austrailia was next.

And as far as this whole WMD thing goes, look at STALIN and how many MILLIONS of his own people he killed. WHY we didnt do anything??? BECAUSE STALIN got the BOMB. Why do think Saddam will do when he gets it?????

Illogical,

You are paranoid. If you think you have no freedoms, move. Read a book on History.

Realist

Yeru,

i have to say i would prefer to avoid personal attacks.

please show me the passage in mein kampf where hitler says he wants to occupy europe or the world? i am very curious to where you found that! to try to be number one in europe is legitimate in my opinion...after all france and britain tried the same thing.

also your critizism doesn't change the fact that nazis worked together with zionists to get jews to palestine. they also tried to deport them to other states (eg. USA) the problem was that the other countries didn't want to take the jews.

all of this doesn't make hitler much better. but it is also pointless to try to portray him as a total nutcase.

Crazy151drinker

So, Hitler cant export them so he was right to BBQ them in Ovens???

He WAS NUTS! Scientificly starving people to death and trying to create a MASTER RACE means you are NUTS.

Realist

Crazy151drinker,

believe it or not i have to agree with half of your statments!

what is wrong is the notion that hitler attacked western europe because he wanted to occupy them. france and GB declared war on germany...not the other way around.

yes he would have used the A bomb...that is cristal clear...but who would blame him? the US used it too after all and that although they were not about to loose the war.

they did terrible things to handicaped people etc. ...but that was a small number of victims (i know doesn't make it much better but still) ..also the US did studies on humans...i hope you are aware of this (bikini islands etc.etc.)

if GB would have been the only enemy they would have occupied it probably ..but in reality they were light years away from being able to invade GB. (where were the necessary vessels etc. to do that??? )

hitler declared war on the US...but that didn'T matter much since the US supported russia and england already with anything they needed.

Crazy151drinker

If hitler had cleared out the RAF like he was supposed to, he could have STARVED GB to death. With no RAF, GB could not have destroyed the German Industry and it would not have taken hitler long to build some boats!!

Also, the Differnece is after we Bombed Japan, JAPAN stayed JAPAN! It is still there, in Control by the JAPANESE!! Germany is still controlled by the GERMANS! Do you think that hilter would have done the same????

Yes, I am aware of Bikini Island. Yes they got screwed. However, we did not strap 6 year old girls to operating tables and dissect them while they were ALIVE.

outoftheorg

It is clear that no nation on earth is free from accusations of brutality and having desires on others wealth and more.

But the more savage rulers of countries are willing to commit violence death and occupation on those they feel are vulnerable with out any limits. (the killing of masses of non combatants) and the use of weapons of mass destruction on entire populations. That is what is triggering the reaction in the US government and others. Also like it or not this is the result at least in part of religious hatred. This hatred is the most destructive evil on earth. It has been here in the past and it is here now.

A nation, any nation facing this fact has the right and obligation to act in protection of its citizens. To not act now and wait until another weapon is available to Sadam (neuclear-more bio or chem and the means to deliver them to more distant countries is an act of insanity.

It will mean the loss of lives. We have a choice. Are the lives lost to be in the US or in Irac? In Irac or the UK. or elswhere. There is no suitable choice in a situation as this. It will be terrible.

But there is one man who can stop all that. His name is Sadam Husein "however that is spelled".

Do you think he will cooperate or will he use the delays in time to give him the weapons and ability to use them on other states, and then use them??

Outoftheorg

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