The long awaited Dossier on Iraq UK Position

by Celtic 73 Replies latest jw friends

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  kelsey007

  Awesome stuff drinker. Thanks for the link. Making such things affordable is the question. My first computer was a Radio Shack Model I. It had voice recognition capabilities. Most of the technology that we are using today was created 50 and 60 years ago. Took that long to make it affordable and available.

  Eventually we may see a lessoned need for oil. The oil companies pump so much into politics that there is a lot to overcome yet. With so much oil money in the White House it will even take longer. I did not realize until last night that even Condeleeza Rice was an oil person. She left to work for Bush Sr.

  Anyway- we are not isolated from the world. But we do have international law and the UN. We should not empower our president to move ahead in spite of what the world needs and wants. The very fact that we are not isolated should make us not forge ahead with a war on Iraq. Other means of dealing with the problem are available.
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  Commie Chris

  For a rational perspective on this issue: http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=336404
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  Yerusalyim

  Anyway- we are not isolated from the world. But we do have international law and the UN. We should not empower our president to move ahead in spite of what the world needs and wants. The very fact that we are not isolated should make us not forge ahead with a war on Iraq. Other means of dealing with the problem are available.

  We have the UN? That body of antiAmericanism! Last time I check nowhere does our constitution mention subordinating the perogatives of the US Government to the UN, nor any US Law. Tell me, what other means are there to dealing with Iraq? The Inspection program has been a great success hasn't it. Containment has worked real well. Oil for food has worked marvelously hasn't it. Are ya'll prepared for a nuke to go off in Tel Aviv, or NY or LA? How easy would it be to load a nuke onto a yacht, float into harbour, and blow the hell out of us? QUITE easy, and how long do we wait to see if Iraq can develop ICBMs? I suppose the attempt on the life of a former US President by Iraq is meaningless in this debate?

  I'm a soldier, I was in Iraq during the gulf war and we ALL knew Bush made a mistake in not taking out Saddam then. It's time to clean up the mess. World opinion be damned. It was the do nothing attitude of Europe that allowed WWII and the same attitude that made our intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo necessary. I'm NOT a war monger, I HATE war, but sometimes it's necessary. Send in inspectors, and the first time the Iraqi government gets in their way, kill the F*CK HEAD.
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  Crazy151drinker

  Yeru,

  Im still waiting to find out my re-enlistment status. I was told that I would get the info tommorow, so I might be seeing you in Iraq. War sucks, but someone has to do it.
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  kelsey007

  It sounds like to me that protecting our borders is the concern. Is Iraq the only ONE out there that has or coud have the capability of NUKES? Never did I indicate that we should not be concerned.

  9-11 happened, not because of what Iraq is capable of, but because of HOMELAND security issues. I am not aware of any instance, for a fact, where Sadam has attacked the US. In no way do I defend this nut, but, what is he really capable of and what is it beleivable that he would or could do?

  To my knowledge his invasion of Kuwait is the only time he has attacked another nation. Has he supplied support to al queda? Suggestions have been made that he has. Will attacking Iraq and disposing of Sadam being great relief from threats to the US? By the admission of the Bush administration the US has no plan and has not identified WHO will replace Sadam. Experts closer to Iraq say that some that the US has looked at in replacing him are actually WORSE than Sadam.

  The sentiment of the present administration is shoot now and sort it out later. Is that a good plan? Are we caught up in the heat of the moment or is this really a valid, urgent action that is needed? Why has the Bish administration had such a hard time rallying our allies support in this action? If the urgency is so clear then why are the nations closer to and nearer to the threat hesitant to join in this action?

  Iraq's ability to attack the US is much less now, since 9-11, than in the years previous.
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  Commie Chris

  more rational response to Bush's idiocy: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=2285
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  Commie Chris

  And a reasoned postion from a conservative Republican who spent years in Iraq as a senior weapons inspector http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=2353
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  Commie Chris

  And finally, a short interview with my favourite American intellectual, Noam Chomsky, who reminds us that conservative American politicians have been happily allied with the dictator of Iraq, and supported his killing of civillians, as long as it was in the interests of U.S. oil companies http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2002-09/05chomsky.cfm
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  finnrot

  I just had to post, so commie crap wouldn't have the last word.
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  Yerusalyim

  Commie,

  You want to give us quotes from Scott Ritter? The guy is bought and paid for by Iraq. He's taken over $400,000 from a Hussein supporter here in the US and his recent trips to Iraq bought and paid for by Saddam. GET REAL this guy has an agenda, and has been paid well to push it, PLUS he's been out of the loop FOREVER. He has no idea what Hussein is capable of doing.

  Kelsey,

  I agree we need better border security. As to the issue of Saddam attacking us or not, remember, he did make an attempt on the life of President Bush (41).