The Pot Calling the Kettle Black (page 2)

IslandWoman

Farkel,

but at least ex-JWs don't wish for and PRAY for the slaughter of 6,000,000 JWs by a Nazi-God. Dubs cannot say the same thing about themselves and six BILLION others who just don't happen to believe in their religion.

You know, I could like you in the real world I think. But, in the xJW discussion board world you are, imo, guilty of gross misleading statements. (required smilie, used to help soften forthcoming attack)

JWs do not follow a Nazi God. As you well know their religion teaches that God will not destroy anyone who is righteous. Again you manage to divert the subject, which is: on what basis do we ridicule people with whom we have worked side by side, people who have done nothing more than believe as we did?

IW

Beck_Melbourne

I know where you are coming from IW....but I have heard much worse things said about exJW's. The ridicule coming from their direction is much worse...especially when it comes from members of your own family.

Here's my list of criticisms I have endured over the last 4 years:

stinking apostate
lover of money rather then lover of god (?)
on the 'dark' side now
dog returning to its vomit
rubbing Jehovah's eyeball
Worldly (this is the most common but least offensive)
adulterer/fornicator

Prior to this I was:

Sister/friend
Elder's wife
Pillar and supportive wife
Host to CO's/DO's and Bethelites
Organiser of JW social events
Encouraging, kind and generous
Spiritually minded

They can have the farm.

~Beck~

hillary_step

Six....lol,

I thought this was going to be about Sam Herd telling JR Brown that he is a hypocrit!

Maybe that should have been the 'Pratt calling the Kettle Black'.

HS

IslandWoman

Hi Beck,

I understand what you're saying, but remember you and I were taught to think that way also. I supported the system and it seems by your comments you did too. That's my only point. Not that what they do is right, but that should we ridicule them for believing the very things we believed also, for living the very life we lived? That's my only point.

IW

pincushion

I think of the good, the bad and the ugly...

The good being that most of us have found our way through the Borg and follow a new and better 'truth'

The bad being what most of have went through or still go through from the time of contimplating to leave the borg, actually leaving the borg, and the present.

The ugly being it is up to us to 'spread the word' of right and wrong within the borg.

My short time as a JW, I made some very dear friends, who I think about almost everyday and miss greatly. It is not them I am frown upon but rather their system of things and what it did to me in the long run. It is the shunning that makes me upset. Based on my own personal experience, I was shunned by my family when I became a Dub, then when I realized my family was more important to me and left the borg, I was shunned by people who I thought were great friends. It was a no win situation and I feel I would have been better off not to have let that first Dub in my door, start that study...and so on. If i can stop others from making the mistake I did, I will be vocal about the JW's..the organization..not the majority of people within the organization...although after reading this forum for a couple weeks there are some JW's that deserve to be man handled.

PC

pincushion

PS..I may have lived their life..but it wasn't a good life...its the smart people who get out.

Beck_Melbourne

IW

Not that what they do is right, but that should we ridicule them for believing the very things we believed also

Your point is a good one. I too walked side by side with these people and embraced them as brother and sister. I held their babies and helped nurse their aged mothers, I stood proud and would sing loud in honour of my god, my family, my friends, my faith. I was a proud and arrogant witness in my time...I can recall shunning DF people...I remember crossing the street when I saw a DF man approaching me. My sister and I spotted him coming our way, we sniggered and made an unkind comment and we crossed the street. He was DF...he was not worthy of my attention, least of all my affection, he was also my brother!

The teachings of the WT taught me that it didn't matter if I hurt others...no matter what blood ties we had...the WT taught me arrogance...and taught me to believe that "if they were not one of us...then they were not worthy of my good graces".

I ridicule their ridicule more so than the people themselves. I also believe there are some wonderful people who are caught up in the organisation...and they know not, what they do. I do not think of them when I speak against the JW, or the WT teachings, I think of the organisation and the leadership, and my ridicule is more directed at this group, rather than the people, if that makes any sense.

~Beck~

Edited by - Beck_Melbourne on 2 October 2002 22:43:13

Prisca

I agree with you IW.

Whilst the WTS is corrupt and wrong, the individuals who are victims of its teachings are not. Many JWs I know are 2nd and 3rd generation JWs - they know nothing else. Being a JW is part of their culture and heritage - to leave when all/most of your family are JWs is a very scary thing. So it is easier for them to stay JWs, rather than contemplate the possibility that their religion is wrong, and the many consequences of that.

Many JWs I know are good people. I do not laugh at them, because I was one of them once, and I too thought the way I worshiped was the correct way to serve God. Like Larc, I feel sorry for them, because they are just like the people Jesus described as being "skinned and without a shepherd".

mrs rocky2

I think we need to remember that people who post here are at different stages of 'recovery.' When Rocky and I first realized WT didn't have the real truth we both went through a range of emotions, anger included. We were angry at God for having allowed us to be duped, we were angry at WT for misleading us, we were angry at ourselves for being so trusting of men. So ridiculing those still in, especially those who blindly follow the leadership of the WT may be an expression of this anger and pain. I do agree that most rank and file JWs are only doing what they do because they have been taught (grilled, inculcated, brainwashed even) to follow the WT without thought to right or wrong, their salvation is at issue. Some are very good people, but not all. We all do things that are probably not in good taste when we are experiencing pain. In our case, time has eased our pain and the desire to ridicule those still loyal to WT has lessened.

Mrs Rocky

Jesus Christ

You could not make fun of the idiots who go out and do their bit to push the literature onto people who don't really want it or you could realize how big of an idiot you were for believing that stuff too. Know what the difference between an apostate and a good JW is? The apostate realizes that they've made a mistake. Everybody makes mistakes and there's nothing wrong with that. The only that really matters is how you deal with those mistakes.

Its like the saying goes, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me a few hundred times and I get what I deserve.

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