Silentlambs, The Letter, The World, and Justice.

by BeautifulGarbage 101 Replies latest jw friends

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  Reborn2002

  If there is a God, and He is behind SL, who can stop it?

  If it is Bill's vision alone, it will surely fail

  God must be behind the the Red Cross as well. After all it is the most productive charity organization of all time which aids homeless and sick people.

  FEMA must be directed by God. When disasters strike they are responsible for providing people food, shelter, and financial aid to get them back on their feet.

  Alcoholics Anonymous is God's organization too for that matter. They turn people's lives around by aiding them to wean themselves off of an alcohol addiction.

  Why? Because from your perspective, if it is man's vision alone to attempt to help other people and do right, then it will surely fail.

  Microsoft must have God's backing also. It is the most financially successful corporation of all time, and helped society immensely by helping provide computers to the general public and spawned the Internet Age of information. After all, without the world wide web, you or I would not be posting here.

  If it is Bill Gates vision alone, it will surely fail.

  I still believe God is behind Bill. I also believe God is behind the expose' of the Catholic church.

  So God is responsible for exposing priests who raped children decades ago?

  I suppose God decided it was not worth intervening on the actual action of rape, and felt it was alright to allow the child to be sexually abused. He allowed that to happen.

  But he sure is the one who saw to it that the facts came to light 30 years later!

  Your perspective is a JOKE. Listen to yourself.
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  SixofNine

  My arrogance??? lol.

  What could be more arrogant than deciding that your subconcious is God? In my guestimation (lol, pardon the pun), you chose a great deal as to the particulars of your insanity.

  The funniest part of all, is having you respond when someone calls you on this.... as if you were perfectly normal, as if your words should be taken as seriously as those of any other person. You're not like any other person Shelby, you think god talks to you, and you think he talks to you to have you talk to us. I think you are crazy. I have good reason to think you are crazy.

  Your "mouthpiece for God" bit is reminiscent of the organization. God doesn't need a mouthpiece in the form of you or the GB, and intelligent, clear thinking people don't believe you have any special connection to god beyond what a mish-mash of bible reading and delusions of granduer can give you.
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  Amazing

  Hi Andee: Excellent post, very well presented ... and most of all, I believe your points are valid and worth a lot for Bill and others to closely consider ... thanks.
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  Big Tex

  BG

  Great post. Particularly your analogy to your former employer. It gave me a different perspective on this issue and that's always a good thing. What you fear may indeed indeed come to pass. I hope and pray not.
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  RevMalk

  	I couldn't tell you if God is helping silentlambs or not, but I do know that good and right often times can conquer the evil, so whatever power is behind all that might just be helping the cause. I don't think that silentlambs MUST have the backing of God to succeed (although it sure would be nice), I think that the good in human kind in general is what silentlambs needs above all. This isn't a God thing, this is a moral issue, and a safety issue. One thing that needs to be stressed is that the general public needs to know, at whatever cost or sacrifice. No matter what anyone thinks of Bill or the organization, anyone who cares needs to be involved for the lambs, lambs of the past.....lambs of the future. And if people do not wish to back the silentlambs organization, than by all means find a way to spread the word. Next time you go into the market, place flyers in the doorway. Next time you're near a laundry mat, leave flyers. Next time you run across a Watchtower magazine, leave a flyer inside, write the web address of silentlambs.org right on the cover. Take out Newspaper ads (sometimes locally owned Pennysaver type papers will run ads for non-profit orgs for free!). Hell, rent a billboard if you can afford it. Whatever it takes, anything and everything. This is the way it'll work and succeed, by never wavering from your convictions, never giving up. If we all put our entire lives into this and save even one child, it's all worth it. This is the time for the lambs, let's not fail them. If you believe in God, pray like you've never prayed, if you don't, pray anyway just in case. Tell your friends and neighbors, and ask them to tell at least three other people (Ross Perot rip-off). If you feel that Bill needs to do something differently, email him, make suggestions. If you think he needs help, email him and volunteer. If you feel silentlambs is going nowhere than promote in your own way, just do it so you can sleep at night, and do it so the lambs can too. my 2 cents, maybe more
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  abbagail

  On Page 2, Kelsey007 asked/commented:

  If it were ever asked what real vicitm aid is being given to abuse victims- well I have not heard anything about professional help for these guys.

  May I suggest you write, email or call silentlambs.org and ask if they can recommend a therapist in your (symbolically speaking) area? How do you know a referral-network of therapists has not already been formed (or is in the process of being formed)?

  Does a simpathetic ear aid the victim?

  Absolutely. If you're not sure how much it helps, why not start a Topic on this forum asking that, or post a comment in the silentlambs Guestbook asking that question, and see what sort of responses you get.

  Should'nt trained professional be making the call as to whether a case is credible or not? ... Where are the therapists? Now that this has come this far how will silent lambs respond to " What are you doing for the vicitms? ... What, in reality is silent lambs doing for abuse victims? ... Are there professional, trained people who are qualified to screen applicants for silent lambs support? And, other than court cases and marches what is silent lambs doing for the victims? If silent lambs does not have trained qualified profesisonals to deal with the abuse victims it mutes their argument that the elders are not trained professionals in dealing with abuse victims- at least in my opinion.

  Please visit www.silentlambs.org - Click on the "HELP SILENTLAMBS" bar on the left. This information has been on the site at least since I first found the site last Fall.

  Would you like to help silentlambs?

  We offer this page as a place where you can get involved with specific action to get the word out and assist silentlambs on this issue. It can be broken down into six areas:

  1. Local advertisement using want ads or "penny pincher" type newspapers. This should offer an inexpensive way to get the word out to many who do not know if this issue. You are responsible to pay the ad costs and by doing so helping to let others know. To look at the ads you simply need to CLICK HERE
  2. A downloadable brochure that will be tri-foldable, it works as a pass out to anyone you may meet and gives the basics of what silentlambs is trying to accomplish. You may read the brochure and download it. CLICK HERE
  3. Silentlambs, inc is now a 501,C, 3 non-profit corporation and your donation to support our work can now be tax-deductable. Monies donated will be used exclusively for the benefit of victim assistance and making known this issue to force Watchtower to change its misguided policy. You may use a credit card, money order or Pay-Pal. To utilize this option, CLICK HERE
  4. "friends of silentlambs"-We wish to establish a network of safe houses for victims who may be in danger or who may be victimized by misguided Jehovahs Witnesses. We are looking for individuals who could provide sanctuary for up to thirty days for parents and children who may be threatened. We would like to establish safe havens in every state within the United States. We ask you provide information about your ability to be able to assist in this regard. If you would like to become a part of a network known as "friends of silentlambs", to register CLICK HERE
  5. LEGAL ASSISTANCE-If you have experience in legal areas such as an attorney or paralegal and wish to volunteer or work at a reduced rate to assistance victims to be protected and help them have a voice when threatened by Watchtower Policy, CLICK HERE
  6. COUNSELING-If you have credentials for counseling victims of molestation and would like to help direct them on how to get the best assistance, CLICK HERE.

  If, to date, there is not a large enough network of counselors from all 50 states and abroad who have come forward to assist silentlambs, therapists who specialize in sex abuse counseling can also be found via the organizational links in the "ASSISTANCE" section of the SL website.

  Those are the questions that I have.

  May I suggest the following:
  1. Rather than asking questions to this forum, direct your questions to silentlambs.org via email, phone call, letter.
  2. Why not look in the phonebook/yellow-pages for therapists/counselors/psychologists, etc. in your area and start calling them, one by one, and (a) informing them of the silentlambs cause and website; (b) ask them if they would like to have their names added to the network of therapists/counselors on file at silentlambs.org for future referrals; (c) and while you've got them on the phone, ask if they'd be willing to donate their professional services in exchange for a tax write-off (since silentlambs.org is a non-profit organization).

  Grits

  Edited by - Grits on 8 October 2002 7:54:59

  Edited by - Grits on 8 October 2002 7:57:25
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  JT

  reborn22

  So God is responsible for exposing priests who raped children decades ago?

  I suppose God decided it was not worth intervening on the actual action of rape, and felt it was alright to allow the child to be sexually abused. He allowed that to happen.

  But he sure is the one who saw to it that the facts came to light 30 years later!

  Your perspective is a JOKE. Listen to yourself.

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  excellent point, one of the challenges that a person faces who tries to "Invoke" divine intervention is they run smack into all the things you have mentioned, i have seen time and time again how most will start out very logical and as you continue to press the issues with questions they end up saying

  WELL DAMN IT YOU JUST GOT TO BELIEVE!!

  which is were they actually started from. they have such a strong desire and i can understand to connect events to the Divine one that even in simply things they try to make the connection as one poster tried to illustrate by saying

  God = all good things

  Devil = all bad things

  such a shallow line of reasoning flies in the face of facts over and over.

  as if to say -------my wife had a flat tire and was late for a job interview, must have been the devil-

  NO -- your lazy A$$ didn't go to Sears SAT MORNING and get that "MAY POP" TIRE WITH THE STEEL BELTED RADIAL SHOWING OUT THE SIDE FIXED

  SMILE

  no - my laz
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  RevMalk

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  Edited by - Revmalk on 8 October 2002 9:28:33
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  RevMalk

  	So God is responsible for exposing priests who raped children decades ago? I suppose God decided it was not worth intervening on the actual action of rape, and felt it was alright to allow the child to be sexually abused. He allowed that to happen. But he sure is the one who saw to it that the facts came to light 30 years later! JT, Excellent point. I had a big long response, but lost it. Point is, God doesn't need an organization to change things. This cause, whether it be through silentlambs or other means will not fail by the power of the good in mankind. The cause is here because we're sick of waiting on the Watchtower God, so why bring him in now? If he lends a hand, great, if not there must be a reason. Even if God isn't intervening for whatever reason, he's sure not against us. We'll prevail one way or another because we have the right on our side.
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  AGuest

  My arrogance??? lol.

  Yes. Absolutely. And your hyopocrisy, which I will show you, later.

  What could be more arrogant than deciding that your subconcious is God?

  First, if you knew me, you would know that you are off... way so. Now, if you had exchanged the word "God"... for "Christ," I could entertain your comment even further. But, for now, let's just say that you are entitled to your view. As for me, I now know myself, very well, as the Light has shed on me and LET me "see" myself... as I REALLY am... and now how I thought I was. Therefore, I now know my "subconcious," and let me tell you... it doesn't say the same things. Not even. Truly, there is NOTHING good in ME... and what I was permitted to speak here was good. It was a plea to quiet disunity for the sake of others. (Of course, YOU didn't get that part... but, ah well...)

  In my guestimation (lol, pardon the pun), you chose a great deal as to the particulars of your insanity.

  Hypocrite. Again, we will discuss that later.

  The funniest part of all, is having you respond when someone calls you on this.... as if you were perfectly normal, as if your words should be taken as seriously as those of any other person.

  And you don't? I think you see where the "hypocrite" thing might be going. I am sure that some others do.

  You're not like any other person Shelby,

  You are in total error. I am flesh... with its blood... and with its sin(s)... so that I am NO different from any other flesh with its blood, including perhaps to some great degree... you.

  you think god talks to you

  Ummmm, not quite: First, it is "know". Second, I KNOW Christ speaks to me, and reveals to me what God's "will" is (as they are in union, and my Lord does not speak of his own initiative, but just as the Father gives HIM, he speaks)... and I have openly admitted and confessed that very fact here... many, many, many times. And the TRUTH is... he speaks to you, too. Why you can't/don't HEAR, however... well, the answer lies within YOU... within YOUR subconcious (as you may refer to it. In truth, however, it is your spirit... the uncleanliness of which was revealed just a few posts ago. But... who am I to see the truth?)

  and you think he talks to you to have you talk to us.

  Depends on who you mean by "us". If you are Israel, then yes, you would be included in "us". And even if you are NOT Israel, but still have ears to hear, then yes, you would be included in "us". (Then again, you might be included anyway, as my direction is "whether they hear... or refrain"...)

  I think you are crazy.

  Ah, there's that hypocrite thing again... YOU "think"...

  I have good reason to think you are crazy.

  And again... but of course, YOU don't see it. Hypocrite.

  Your "mouthpiece for God" bit is reminiscent of the organization.

  I think you need to check with them (through their publications, perhaps), and see if they consider themselves that. I mean, sure, in essence, they IMPLY that. But they certainly deny any truth of it. So, they are either cowards (surprise!)... or false prophets. Either way...

  God doesn't need a mouthpiece in the form of you or the GB

  Of COURSE not! He HAS a "mouthpiece"... my Lord, His Son and Christ, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH. I do NOT deny that... and it is by direction from THAT One... that I speak. Now, if you wish to discuss how THAT One gives direction... and to whom... well, I'm open. But I would exhort you to speak with HIM... first... and make sure that you know what you're talking about. Otherwise, YOU might be made to look... well, nevermind. You get the picture.

  and intelligent, clear thinking people don't believe you have any special connection to god beyond what a mish-mash of bible reading and delusions of granduer can give you.

  (Now, my Lord KNOWS I rue these so-called "intelligent" responses from people who consider THEMSELVES "intelligent", when most probably the opposite is TRUE (Rev. 3:17), but...)

  Well, Six, that depends on what intelligent, clear thinking people you ask, doesn't it, as well as who determines that such folks are such? Or do YOU speak for ALL such ones? (Here's that hypocrite thing, once again!) You think yourself righteous so that you can judge me for speaking, as I confess I have been given... and yet, you yourself speak, with absolutely NO authority from anyone but yourself. Dear one, if you are as intelligent as you wish me... and perhaps others... to believe... may I suggest you look up the word "hypocrite" and see whether or not the "shoe" fits? Methinks it does.

  Go your way... in peace... Six. For my peace... remains.

  A slave of Christ,

  SJ