Other religions are abusive too.,

wednesday

I know Jw's are abusive psychologicaly to their members, however so are other churches. Case in point, I knew a woman who would not marry b/c the Pope said not to use birth control. She did not want children, and she could not find it within herself to go against the pope. She was as depressed and unhappy as any jw i have ever seen. Or neighbors are church of christ, they are very strict, and i suspect they probably to engage in informal shunnig. the baptist religin is very prominent in Texas, and they will condemn u to burn in hell(die at armageddon???) if u do not agree with them. Consider the TV evangelist scandal of the 80-90. There leaders are corrupt. the waco whachos. the people who thought they were going to go to heavn in a space shift,the people who stand on street corner with signs saying the world is going to end. I am finding that the people i talk to (not jw) often feel just as injured by their religion. As far as shunning-i know our church of christ neighbors shunned us. And i don't find "worldly people" as good of friends as some say they are. Most will stab u in the back if given a chance. Really true friends are hard to find- anywhere.

this is my husbands argument, and also, my docs. he says he has seen many sad cases of religion abuse. So he is not too sorry for me.now, not having ever been to any other religion-i really cna't disagree with them. I know for sure the catholic church has a strong influence on many people. And they too tend to gravitate toward the poor and ignorant-and keep them that way.

I have known hypocrital judemental peopel or many religions. JW do not have a patent on this. tell me again , why Jw are so much worse then the fire breathing baptists, or the catholics who would have u confess all your sins to them. I really want to know. I am at a crossroads here and before i leave jw completely, i need something more than they are abusive. b/c the catholic religion really has had a patent on that .Is there nay place u can go u wont' be abused?

I guess no one said "losing your religion" would be esay.

heathen

I hear what you are saying .Religion is a snare and a racket just like rutherford said it was but also keep in mind what jesus said about where ever there are 2 people gathered together in my name so to shall I be there. Christianity is not the only messed up religion don't forget the muslim and hindus

ozziepost

G'day Wednesday,

This sounds reminiscent of the Dub saying "Where else have we to go?"

It's an argument bound by the Dub thinking about organisations i.e. God's organisation v Satan's organisation. Of course different religious organisations have done bad things, but why does this preclude leaving the borg?

You may come to appreciate that it's not a matter of leaving one organisation and joining another. If you come to the conclusion that you have Christian beliefs, then that is a personal matter between you and your God, not dependent on belonging to an organisation. We call that "Christian freedom". Whatever steps you make, please ensure it's on the road to freedom. You make those steps as an individual.

Cheers, Ozzie

The Firm

Wednesday, are you really considering leaving JW? Sounds like you're searching for the lessest of the remaining evils. Well, since ya asked, I'll toss a good word in for the CC. Her 4 marks beat any other church's marks: One (same liturgy across the world), holy (founded by Christ himself), catholic (universal, excluding no one), and apostolic (unbroken chain of clergy since Christ & the Apostles). CC also wrote and settled on the canon of the Bible, so the NT is based on the CC, not the other way around. Just a few tidbits there.

I'm sure there are things that seem to be repulsive, like confession (Jn 20:23), but I strongly encourage seeking the wisdom of those things before rejecting them. Venerating Mary/saints, purgatory, confession, etc. usually get laughed off without an ounce of consideration. Bottom line: judge a medicine by those who take it, not by those who don't. Feel free to drop me an email if you'd prefer to chat less-publicly. HTH!

kelpie

In my opinion at this time I feel all religions are bad and are money makers (sorry if that upsets anyone) but this is the way I feel at the moment

joannadandy

Did anyone ever say they weren't?

But then again life is one place you cannot hide from abuse, sometimes no matter what you do there will be someone or something that will beat you down and hurt you. Life is a struggle, and while I think we can deal by not getting involved with hurtful churches, it doesn't mean we won't get dogged on in some other avenue of our life.

Look at it this way, adversity teaches us to be thankful for who and what we have.

Francois

Try the Unitarian Church. Or find yourself a nice Episcopal Church - that would be my preference if I just had to be a member of an organized religion. My girlfriend for years was an Episcpalian and I rather enjoyed myself there. And their communion wine was the tops. Great stuff, that.

wednesday

I guess i do need an organized expression of my faith. I know others speak about christain freedom-but generally that translates into not attending a church, but leading a spiritual life. It has been drilled into my head that christ had an organized religion.

a friend said, that becoming an adult and learing it think for yourself-many people stop going to church. He sort of equated with becoming an adult .. But why? The early christains had congreagtions-why shouldn't we attend somewhere?

Im really mad b/c of the unloving attitude i see in jw's. But i see that among a lot of people. I think one of the problems is being raised as a jw-i was taught to trust my bro and sis and we lead a shelted life. the world is a mixed bag some would hurt u if given the chance, whether u a jw or not.And when i got hurt by the very people that i trusted-what a surpise! I forgot they were human. I never really learned to function as an adult .

My husband , who at first was tolerant of this site-has become weary of it. He is tired of me reading it. he is content to stay as he is-even though he did says he did not agree with everything jw taught.he will not tolerate a spirited discussion, but says i am arguing

I was never a very good jw anyhow. . I was always shooting off my mouth, not submissive, .. I just haven't clearly crossed the line so they could kick me out. But after a read another thread tonight, someone was DA without any notice. they don't seem too interested in us at the monemt. We are no threat to them. Especially me as a woman. I just hate living in a divided household. I wish my hubby and i could get on the same page. he won't allow me to celebrate squat. so i am forced to abide by jw frles on that matter whether i like it or not. I see why it is important to agree on religion.

I can't just walk into another church. I could be seen-and my husband would have a fit.

Edited by - wednesday on 22 November 2002 2:6:47

Big Tex

"Simon Peter answered him: 'Lord whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life; and we have believed and come to know that you are the Holy One of God." - John 6:68-69

I rejected religon. I haven't rejected God.

Stephanus

That there is abuse in other denominations is not the issue. This is a JW board, devoted to JW issues. That there is abuse in the JW movement is something that those who post here are determined to stamp out. That there is abuse in other groups is irrelevant, except on boards devoted to those sects.

Other religions are abusive too.,

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