Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical

by MrMoe 139 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • FiveShadows
    FiveShadows

    I have modified my post on the request of the people on this post for 'proof' ...please read the scriptures indicated.

    as been requested:

    I was moved with love to share the following with you all, to give some light on the suject in which you all inquire about

    In the beginning as stated in my other posts there was Death (Hate) and God (love). Death had no power over good but God outo f the goodness of His (God's) heart created the 'Light' to stand in place of Darkness. Death wishes to consume LIFE. (maybe it's just me...but if Death didn't consume life...no one would die right? also John 1: 5, 6) All forms of life. That is what Death does. Genesis 1:1-3 speaks in regards this that there 'was' ALREADY darkness before 'The Light' (The Christ) ::John 8:12:: was created. Christ said 'I am the Truth, The Way, and THE LIGHT." This was the first thing created to stand in place of Darkness. (Colossians 1:15-17) Adam was given life to stay close to it and was informed not to eat of the Tree of the knowledge of good and bad. (Genesis 2:15-17) Why was this important? Because once Adam had partaken of the fruit he not only knew bad but became INTIMATE with this.(Gensis 3: 21-22) This world has you believe that 'knowledge is power' however truly i say to you today, 'He that gains knowledge' does not increase power but rather 'sorrow.' (Ecclesiastes 1:18 ) Knowing of the knowledge by intimate means made Adam prideful jealous angry selfish and full of hate etc.(Galations 5:19-20, ) Before this he never had manifested any of these traits. (Gensis 1:27, 31) He became 'unclean' in the sight of God, and did not practice the fruitage of the spirit.(Galations 5:22-24) This resulted in Death entering into the world. (Romans 5:12) But God showed mercy as He can upon anyone whom He choses to do so and provided 'The Way' for all to attain everlasting life.(John 14:6, Romans 9:14-15, Acts 4:10-12 Titus 1:1-3) Death made a bargin with God that if He (God) would give Death His only begotten Son ('The LIFE' John 14:6) He would release the world from the pains of Death.( Mt 20:28, 1 Timothy 2:6)

    'Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a RANSOM in EXCHANGE for many"

    www.dictionary.com defines ransom as: A)the release of property or a person for payment of a demanded price. b) The Price or payment demanded for such release.

    Release from whom? (1 Corinthians 15:26)

    Why? Because Death wishes to CONSUME LIFE. And Christ IS 'the Life.' God knowing that Death was a liar agreed these terms. (John 8:44 emphatic diaglott shows that Satan is NOT the father of the lie but rather HIS FATHER :Death: is the father of the LIE) Christ came and gave his soul AS A RANSOM (keyword) to free US from Death so we may attain everlasting life.(Hebrews 2:15, Collossians 1:13-14) In the process taught everyone not only what love was but what mercy was among other things. He taught us how to live and to show kindness and love to all so we may become one with Truth, and not 'the lie' (Death). After Christ's death He went to preach those that were already dead in Sheol about the hope of everlasting life.( 1 Peter 3: 18,19) Death, being a liar, Held on to Christ but did not release the world as he promised. (Proverbs 27:20, Habakkuk 2:5, Acts 2:24, Ephesians 4:8-10)This made it justified for God not only to take back His Son but also to release the world from Death's hold. Satan is not the last enemy may i remind you. For it is written that 'last enemy' is Death (1 Corinthians 15:26) That which will be brought to 'nothing.' God provided 'The WAY' (Christ) for us to attain life. This is why Christ said He was not only The Son of God but also 'the Light, the Truth, and THE WAY.' Anyone that wishes to listen and hear waht the spirit of Truth is speaking let them rejoice for they have understand that which prideful men and women have not yet with all the books of the world been able to comprehend. Why? Because they do not seek out Truth (Christ) but rather depend upon themselves and those prior to them to explain the 'mysteries' of suffering. Why is it taking so long? Let me remind you also for it is written: 'The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. ' (2 Peter 3:9) And for us to practice LOVE, Joy, Peace, Long suffering, Goodness, Faith, Mildness, Self control so we may push off our sinful inherited traits from Adam but rather become One with Life (Christ).

    Once again, i am short of time at the San Antonio library and must go...but will respond more to this post as i am told to do so this week.

    May Jah and Jah-Eshua's blessings be upon all. ~FS

  • donkey
    donkey

    puke....

    Why do believers think they can use the Bible to prove the existence of God?

    That is so bASSackwards!!!

    Edited by - donkey on 21 December 2002 17:33:13

  • FiveShadows
    FiveShadows

    If you must...put aside all your pride, animosity, envy, hypocracy, lies, deciet, testing from your heart and disown yourself, then ask from a clean ...pure...motive, that which is seeking out Truth and ONLY Truth,... if the information presented is Truth or not ...and LISTEN and HEAR that which you are told ...then you shall haveyour answers. Continually putting God and Christ to the test is only going to fruistrateyou more, then blaming God because of your testing and Him not responding angering you more. Yet, if God extends mercy and send his messengers to prsent the information that which you requested from Him becauseyou do not listen to Him nor His Son directly because of all that which clouds your mind (pride, animosity etc..) not onlydo you not listen to Him butyou also persecute the messenger in delivering the message and blame God, Christ and his servents. Truelyi say toyou today, He that disowns himselfand takes on the form of a servent recieves much reward in understanding of all things by means of Holyspirit. ~FS

  • rem
    rem

    FS,

    Ah, I see. All atheists are prideful, hateful, envious, hypocritical liars lacking pure motives to seek truth and only truth.

    Um, yeah. You're an asshole.

    rem

  • nakedmvistar
    nakedmvistar

    No, but what you find after surfing through this forum is many who were believers, but because of the corruption of the org. and the resulting carnage, many have a defineable "hatred" towards anything religious...gee rem, anyone who disagrees with you an asshole? you've been on this forum way too long! Go take a break, dork!

  • rem
    rem

    nakedmvistar,

    Maybe you need a refresher in reading comprehension. FS is not an asshole because he's a believer or because he disagrees with me. FS is an asshole because he's a bigot.

    I have no problem with believers. This has nothing to do with what a person believes. It has to do with how certain people (in this case who happen to be believers) think they are better than everyone else. Notice the terms prideful, hateful, envious, hypcritical, liars, lacking pure motives that were aimed toward non-believers. These are obviously ridiculous false stereotypes and people who promulgate them deserve no respect.

    rem

    Edited by - rem on 26 December 2002 23:5:52

  • gumby
    gumby

    not onlydo you not listen to Him butyou also persecute the messenger in delivering the message and blame God, Christ and his servents

    Did rem persecute you? How? Did he flog you, or whip you or drag you to court? Poor persecuted Christian......how us lions wish to devour you

    You do the same as you accuse him of doing. You called him prideful with a clouded heart.

    At least he has looked at both sides....from Christianity side......AND a sceptical side.....sceptical meaning having the balls to see if The bible really isn't god's word, and "stuff" like that.Have you?

    Edited by - Gumby on 26 December 2002 23:15:4

  • Yizuman
    Yizuman

    Matthew 7:6
    "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
    (Whole Chapter: Matthew 7 In context: Matthew 7:5-7)

    These folks clearly don't want to have anything to do with God, they hate Him and everything that represents Him.

    They do not want to be saved. That is their choice.

    They do not want to go to heaven. That is their choice.

    There's nothing that we can do or say to change their minds. Not even God can change their minds. He will not force them to be saved. They have to have the want and desire to be saved, no one else can do that for them.

    I'm truely sorry that each and every one of you have been deceived by a false religion which has fostered distrust of anything religion after leaving the org.

    Hate and distrust is a very powerful bitter pill to swallow, especially when one is angry and embarrassed for having had been duped by a false religion. Your intelligence feels extrememly insulted by the fact that you once believed them and cannot believe you actually believed them in the first place. So you believe no more.

    The damage has been done and is irrepairable.

    I wish you all good luck in your endeavers as you go on with life.

  • nakedmvistar
    nakedmvistar

    Rem says: "FS is not an asshole because he's a believer or because he disagrees with me. FS is an asshole because he's a bigot." Bigotry didn't come to mind when reading his post. Maybe these were honest observations on his part. You should have addressed your concerns with something a little more constructive. "Um, yeah. You're an asshole."

  • back2dafront
    back2dafront
    These folks clearly don't want to have anything to do with God, they hate Him and everything that represents Him.

    They do not want to be saved. That is their choice.

    They do not want to go to heaven. That is their choice.

    Wait a sec, buddy. Personally, if God appeared right now and explained his purpose and basically made Himself known, I'd do whatever I could to please Him. So an "unbeliever" does not automatically fall into all the categories you mention above.

    It's hard for me to grasp the concept of the God in the Bible, but that doesn't mean I don't believe. I'm just waiting for the time to come when all will be known - then I'll know for sure what and how to believe. Just seems to make more sense to me that way, instead of trying to interpret writings that are claimed to be inspired by God, but knowing mankind has been deceiving since day 1....

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