Athiests and Christmas?

by clash_city_rockers 105 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  clash_city_rockers

  Sirona exposes her ignorance of history and writes this sad piece of slander in order to make the violent nature of paganism appear more palatable to her audience whom she is trying to dupe writes:

  Christians however...well. Christianity is also responsible for billions of deaths throughout history. It is responsible for untold misery

  This is simply a bunch of skubilon. It was Pagan Nero and Rome with whom you probably share many of the same pagan sentiments who killed untold millions of Christian in cold blood historical fact that probably give you some sort of sick inter joy as you fellow pagans inflicted unjust and unkind evils among us peace loving Christian folks. Paganism how violently savage. And it was atheistic Hitler and his fatuous band of political bandits and atheistic Soviet Union and Communist China that was responsible for billions of deaths. Not to think that the pagan worship of Emperor Herohito of Japan during the second world war was also responsible for untold millions of death due to pagan pursuit of power in the Pacific.

  You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. We Christians are peace loving and law obeying people.

  Sirona who has a masterful command of the bible and its exegesis writes:

  Remember the words of Jesus (who you claim to follow) - remove the rafter from your own eye before removing the straw from anothers eye. Also, do not judge - that is up to God.

  Lets see what Jesus says in John 3:18-21

  18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son, 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

  I dont judge you Sirona that is not my responsibility. But if you read the scriptures you can clearly see that if you have not repented of your pagan ways and sins and trust Jesus alone you are already judge by God and already condemned

  jr
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  Sirona

  Clash, did you take my fundie quiz? LOL.

  Clash......you said something like.....oh lets see I can't remember.....something like......

  This is simply a bunch of skubilon. It was Pagan Nero blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit blah blah blahblah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit blah blah blah blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit blah blah blah blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit blah blah blah blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit blah blah blah responsible for untold millions of death due to pagan pursuit of power in the Pacific.

  You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. We blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit blah blah blah .

  LOL!
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  clash_city_rockers

  Sirona,

  Obviously you like the typical Jehovahs Witness is not at all interested in the noble pursuit of truth and honest aristocratic civil dialog. You are just as interested in an honest discussion of the facts as your typical tyrannical JW elder at your local kingdom hall. The way you have responded and represented yourselves and your position reveals the downgraded morality and unsavory character that is a byproduct from ungodly pagan religious convictions that are born out of vain idolatrous concoctions of the wicked and sinful mind that is in rebellion against Jesus Christ. It must be lonely that you must have to fight against others like you in your world. The cruelty and brutality that encompasses your circle must be fuel that hardens your recalcitrant heart.

  The good news is that by the grace and mercy of God everything can change with you in Jesus Christ

  Romans 3:21-31 The Gospel Message

  21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
  
  
  Boasting Excluded
  27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. 29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

  Edited by - clash_city_rockers on 20 December 2002 6:46:9
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  Sirona

  Clash, stop it! I can't take it anymore! There is only so much I can laugh!
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  clash_city_rockers

  Well if you were laughing then you are obviously enjoying these posts and would not be serious when you ask me to stop.
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  clash_city_rockers

  Oh wait Sirona I bet your going to give me the ol JW line but in your pagan context

  "Im a Stronger pagan now after being refuted by you bible Christiasns"

  Cheers,

  Edited by - clash_city_rockers on 20 December 2002 7:18:9
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  Sirona

  ROTFLMAO!!!!
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  Skeptic

  Clash, you are an excellent troll.

  1. Atheism can not be lived consistently

  Do I care? Why should I care?

  2. Christmas is against Atheism

  Christmas is a holiday. I didn't know that holidays could think, hold opinions, or take certain positions.

  3. Atheist seem to keep borrowing capitol from the Christian Worldview

  Even if this were true, who cares?

  Richard
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  Skeptic

  Clash, if it weren't for your trolling, I would be so bored right now.

  JWs sleep around and fornicate all the time.

  So do most Christians. I think that is a very good thing.

  BTW, Clash, you previously mentioned man-made religions. Can you show me one that isn't man-made? Of course, I want you to prove it isn't man-made.

  First go ahead and celebrate Christmas thats good you are at least acknowledging the birth of the God the Son Jesus Christ, who you by your atheistic principle deny.

  It also means I am acknowledging the birth of the Sun, which my atheistic principles deny. So are you when you celebrate on Dec. 25. I hope you enjoy your worship of pagan gods every year, because I certainly do. Pagan gods rock!

  I attended my son's Christmas concert this year. The fellow named Santa seems to get a lot more worship than Jesus. Yes, there were two songs about Christ (out of about twenty or so). But the real glory for Xmas has got to Santa for years. If I were you, I would condemn Santa. He is obviously evil, subtly diverting worship from Christ.

  I personally see this as Christmas evolving into a secular holiday. I think you should view it as a Satanic plot.

  Skeptic, when you say that you are an atheist by consequence you therefore place yourself by your atheistic commitment to certain philosophical commitments and obligations to the worldview of atheism.

  The short answer? No.

  As FunkyDerek pointed out, we do not fear the Atheistic Police. If every atheist on Earth hated me for celebrating Christmas, I couldn't give a rat's ass.

  If one where truly and atheist as you claim then they would have nothing to do with Christmas.

  And if you were truly a Christian, you would have nothing to do with Christmas. By your logic, you are worshipping pagan gods when you do.

  First thing is first.. No Christian and I mean No really redeemed Christian has the business nor the right to ask a non-believer to pray or say grace. A true Christian would never ask an un believer to pray since he does not have a redemptive relationship with the Lord, for God does not listen to the prayers of the unbeliever.

  Clash, perhaps the problem isn't what other people do. Perhaps it is just that you are far too judgemental of others.

  You are right about one thing though. God doesn't listen to prayers.

  Now let me put the atheistic worldview to practice with your Muslim friend. Why should anyone committed to the atheist worldview that they should respect other peoples religion by what ultimate standard is the atheist bound to that he should respect the Muslim or Jew or anybodies belief system. Dont get self-righteous either and say it is for the sake for loving humanity or some humanistic silliness like that. In atheism (the worldview your committed to) standards are arbitrary or a better way to put there are no really true or ultimate standards.

  So now I have to tell you I am a Humanist? Any more labels you need to slap on me?

  Yeah, blind adherence to some dogma is more important than caring for people. Sorry, I did enough of that as a JW. Now I just prefer to think for myself and do what I feel is best. And if that means my "atheistic worldview" gets shaken, all the better.

  I think people's dogmas and worldviews should be shook up from time to time. How else to we find what works in the real world?

  I am a human being and I respect other human beings. That seems to be a concept you can't wrap your mind around. I am quite content to take a magazine from a JW to increase his magazine placements; in fact I did that yesterday. I am content to respect a Muslim and help him follow his religion. I am content to help a born-again follow his. I am even so wicked that I would drive a JW to the Kingdom Hall and *gasp* maybe attend a meeting! What a farce my atheism is! <putting hand to forehead and fainting> I thank the God that I don't believe in that Clash is here to save me from the error of my ways!

  When I was a Witness, the Pope came to Canada. A secretary at work wanted to take a day off work and see the Pope. It would have meant the world to her. But she could not afford to lose the $50 off her pay. She would have gone if someone lent her $50. I could have and wanted to, but as a good JW, I could not be "inconsistent" with my beliefs and do something nice for a Catholic could I? After all, helping her see the Pope would be supporting false religion, right? (Even as a JW I never saw the logic in that. But as we know, Jah's ego is so fragile it could not handle that.)

  So I didn't offer her the money. At that time, and to this day I feel like a piece of shit for not doing so. Good thing I was "consistent", eh? Now, I would lend her the money. Is it consistent? Am I supporting something I don't believe in? Who cares? She would have gone and had a precious memory for life. God knows, her life might even be a little happier as a result. We can't have that now, can we? Is God's ego so fragile that he can't handle some inconsistecy or a little happiness brought into someone's life? Who would want to serve a God like that anyway?

  Now as a Christian I have the freedom to approach the situation with a Muslim with a refreshingly different approach...his would be a good opportunity for the Christian share the gospel of the Lord to his Muslim pal and that the freedom we have in Christ we are not bound to some silly bazaar legalistic dietary law in order to save ourselves. Christ did it all salvation by faith alone through grace alone.

  LOL! I would love for you to try that in a country like Saudia Arabia!

  That reminds me of JWs who cannot just respect a different belief system but have to shove theirs down others' throats. I was a very devout JW when I had lunch with my Muslim friends. And even though they offered to have me eat in front of them during Ramadan I told them that I did not want to tempt them to go against their beliefs. Yeah, I know, that makes me a lousy JW. But it makes me a decent human being. And I will choose being a good human being over being a good Christian any day.

  BTW, I was the ONLY person that could eat lunch in front of them without offending them, and I never did. That was because they knew I respected them. Others did, to tempt them to break Ramadan. That was a great insult. You may not see why it would be a great insult (or you may not care) but I see why and I DO care.

  Newsflash Skeptic: Once you claim to be an atheist you have already committed yourself to an atheist dogma. The Position that there are no gods is a dogmatic position.

  And what happens if I don't live up to such a commitment? Is my non-God going to non-burn my non-soul in a non-hell?

  Are my fellow atheists going to shun me? Are thousands of people going to walk around in moral confusion because of me? Are you, Clash, going to spend the rest of your life in such confusion over little ol' me?

  Richard

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  CoolBreeze

  I can't believe you guys are even wasting your time arguing with this guy. BTW Clash I never bothered to relpy to your other thread because is sounded a bit funny to me. Your details were a bit too explicit about the layout of the campus at UC Berkeley. I decided to do a web search and what do you know?????? Every last detail you posted in that thread is available on the web, so the use of these details does nothing to validate your statements. You also asked about weather I finished my degree, and the answer is yes. I graduated with a major in MIS and a minor in history. You mentioned that you have a dergree as well, and for that I congradulate you. However upon reading most of your posts, and analizing the content and writing style I'm wondering from which community college did you get your AA in underwater basket weaving???

  Merry X-Mas from a Pagan
  Anton

  Edited by - coolbreeze on 20 December 2002 14:56:20