Long Intro From A Long Timer

by hillary_step 185 Replies latest jw friends

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  Gopher

  Hi all, the thread keeps being interesting.

  Six of Nine & Lonewolf, appreciate the balance of your comments. Reasoned approaches such as yours really helps make the board valuable and interesting!

  Island Woman, perhaps we're off on a tangent here with the "Community Responsibility" idea. Whether or not it's provable from scripture, there can be no doubt that the JW's feel a strong sense of 'community'. They take pride in acheivements from halfway around the world, and are incensed / defensive (and maybe rightfully so) when persecution or bad press hits a part of the brotherhood, even if it's far away. My point is, and I believe you'd agree, the JW organization is not immune to a large downfall. There are doctrinal issues always nipping at their heels (blood fractions, disfellowshipings), and there are larger animals that have caused and perhaps will in the future cause huge hits (1975 issue, pedophilia, just to name one past and one present/future). The organization will reap what they have sown, regardless of their claims to divine protection. So as a community, whatever bad comes will cause a major psychological blow.

  I say those things out of concern for the people I love in the organization, and not out of judgment or self-righteousness. I cannot and would never want to judge the righteousness of individuals in the organization. "Stepper" is correct to say that there are many good individuals inside the organization. I hope nothing I posted before left any contrary impression.

  Stepper, Saturday was quite a day for you! I hope some of what I said above helps you understand a little more where I am coming from. I continue to look forward to your views on this board. You mentioned "a lack of tolerance and arrogance" that you sensed on this board so far. I sense your frustration. Not to further press the issue, but you said much the same thing in your first post about some of what you saw out here. So perhaps you shouldn't be so surprised, since you said as much from the very start! I still await your telling more of your own account.

  Gopher
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  Tina

  hs,
  MommieD sees right thru your doublethink and double talk,,,,how dare you judge and lecture her!!I got news for you this isnt a kh,and nobody puts a woman down here like you just did. You proved her spot on about being a control freak and unethical.
  Moxy do NOT be presumptuous enough to 'correct' MD. These are free thinking women and I repeat NOT a KH,you too show the wts male trait of control behavior, DO not attempt to put any woman here in her "PLACE". I can see why MD is disgusted. You're both troglodytes.
  And then moxy,you presume to think for MD,by saying the responses are due to 'false personas'. Md and others have been around these boards for YEARS,and quite intuitive to who are trolls or not. Suffice to say she knows more about this than you do.
  You need to back off on MD. You're an audacious newbie right now and would be better served by learning from the older experienced and intuitive posters.It would help if you and hs,left your WTS male supremacy attitude at the door,save your 'corrections'(nice loaded wts word btw)for the poor sisters at the kh,or in your own life.
  misogyny is alive and well here I see.
  PS HIyas Patio :>
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  LoneWolf

  Wal, Tina, apparently you and MD are of that school of people who never threw a tantrum they didn't love.

  I couldn't care less what your plumbing is. You act like a child and you get treated like one. As long as your come-on is as infantile as that above, don't be trying to impress anyone of your maturity, experience, intelligence, or worth. The only thing you will get in return is laughter.

  And don't give me any nonsense about being a newby. I go where I want, say what I want, to whom I want, to their face, and with them knowing my name. If you or anyone else don't like it, get lost.

  LoneWolf
  Alias: Tom Howell
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  Magdaleen

  LoneWolf,

  I go where I want, say what I want, to whom I want, to their face, and with them knowing my name. If you or anyone else don't like it, get lost.

  You mean to say you aren't aspiring to posting older, experienced intuitive writing like the following quote, by your 260th?

  hs, MommieD sees right thru your doublethink and double talk,,,,how dare you judge and lecture her!!I got news for you this isnt a kh,and nobody puts a woman down here like you just did. You proved her spot on about being a control freak and unethical.
  Moxy do NOT be presumptuous enough to 'correct' MD. These are free thinking women and I repeat NOT a KH,you too show the wts male trait of control behavior, DO not attempt to put any woman here in her "PLACE". I can see why MD is disgusted. You're both troglodytes.
  And then moxy,you presume to think for MD,by saying the responses are due to 'false personas'. Md and others have been around these boards for YEARS,and quite intuitive to who are trolls or not. Suffice to say she knows more about this than you do.
  You need to back off on MD. You're an audacious newbie right now and would be better served by learning from the older experienced and intuitive posters.It would help if you and hs,left your WTS male supremacy attitude at the door,save your 'corrections'(nice loaded wts word btw)for the poor sisters at the kh,or in your own life. misogyny is alive and well here I see.

  I don't understand?

  M
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  thinkers wife

  Step,
  At the risk of being gullible. I am going to welcome you to the board. I hope that you really are for real. It would be interesting to get the "insiders" viewpoint.
  I have felt that so far your posts are well put. They describe the dilemma that many of us have been in at some point in our lives.
  For me it was a gradual process of recognition and withdrawal. When we still have family and loved one's in the org. it complicates the process.
  TW
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  willy_think

  Any who feel the that GB are motivated by anything other than a total conviction that they are Christ’s right hand will never understand their mentality and subsequently their entrenched modus operandi.

  there "modus operandi" that i understand!
  mind-control
  in fact the WTB&TS inc. uses the best state of the art mind-control techniques known to man at this time!!!

  this is intential! theere is no other way to use the newest techniques but to understand what thay are and how to use them.

  ....just another extremist....

  if the boys at bethel thought that too and thay

  ....always feel the need to gard it's borders...

  
  (by this you are saying keep there people in line?)

  then thay will be justified in there mind-control

  the ideas and opinions expressed in this post do not necessiarly represent those of the WTB&TS inc. or any of it's subsidiary corporations.
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  Magdaleen

  Tina if I post here a thousand times and then decide to change my name does that still make me a newby?

  I'm only asking so that I don’t unknowingly break the audacity rule whilst continuing to post here?

  I do wish to become an older experienced intuitive writer like yourself one day.

  If my 260th has a fraction of the merit of yours I will be more than pleased with myself.

  M

  HS, at risk of pushing ahead of the audacity level to number of posts ratio rule expected by the older, experienced, intuitive authors here, I would like to say welcome, you sound like a very interesting person to me.
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  waiting

  hey hilliary step,

  Glad that someone defined what your name meant. We have Hilliary Clinton over in the usa. I've always enjoyed Beroea's posts on H20.

  My husband and I walked away - quietly - from the WTBTS. It would have been so much harder for either of us to walk away alone and the other stay. We have a good marriage - and I've seen the anger and pain that it can cause in a marriage. If that's thinking for two persons, then I thought that's a primary goal in marriage - to think of the other person's welfare as equal to our own. Btw, my husband's 80 yr. old mother is a staunch jw - we don't feel there is any need to unnecessarily hurt her - we knows she's hurting enough, even though it's self-inflicted.

  There are some long time posters here and on h20 that stay within the organization because they don't want to lose their families. Are they thinking for two persons - yes, sometimes for a half dozen. Does that make them little Neros? No, it makes them family persons who value their families.

  Your comment about how long does it take people to recognize that our beloved Society is in serious error is correct. I know it took me a long time, even years, to actually start looking around. I doubt if any one of us just woke up one morning and slapped ourselves on the forhead and said "you know, I've believed with all my heart for 20/30/40/50 years - and it's a crock - and I'm outta here!"

  Of course, some/most of us get to that point, but it's like you say, gradual - which is the reason that forums like this exist - to give time and space to learn about the WTBTS and make our own choices.

  Again, I hope you stay around. Btw, I'm not that cheery of a person. I just think that all persons should be welcomed and then, by their posts, get to know them. Motives seem to become apparent with time, don't you think? You are correct again in that it's quite improbable to know a person, their life, their spirituality, their personality, etc., in one inital post. I don't even know my husband sometimes - and I tell him so (20 years going well.)

  I hope you stay around. Articulation of thought is always a pleasure to read.

  waiting
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  thinker

  Hello hilliary step,
  I enjoy your posts. They seem thoughtful and sincere. I don't agree with your view of thr GB's motives, though. It is very difficult to determine 100% correctly the motives of someone else, but most people observe the actions and base their judgements on those actions.
  I believe Russel was sincere in his beliefs, but after him; the WT become more concerned with self-preservation than Jesus, God or the Bible. This is common to most religious organizations. If you've read Crisis of Conscience, you know how the Mexico branch was incorporated as a "cultural organization" to allow the WT to own property. This decision had more to do with business than morals or religious beliefs.
  RF also presnts a view of the GB meetings that have very little to do with Jehovah. As I said earlier, we could discuss this endlessly, as it is not really possible to determine 100% the motives of others. But, I respect your right to form your own opinions and I enjoy reading the way you present them.
  Welcome aboard.
  thinker
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  Mommie Dark

  so you think your wife isn't capable of making her own spiritual decisions? No matter how you rationalize it, it still shows you have a proprietary attitude towatd your wife. In small words, you think you are her 'owner'. This attitude, while heartily endorsed by the Watchtower and other cults, is no less revolting becasue you can't imagine any other attitude. You stand alone before your Judge, Hilary. So does your wife. Your excusemaking and protesting are no big surprise, tho. Admit yer a sexist pig? Not bloody likely, is it?

  Why are you so defensive? Did you think you were going to make some wholesale conversion of the feelthy apostates and bring them back into your chosen leaky liferaft? Or were you hoping everyone would comgratulate you on your compromise of conscience?