LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! Gumby Danny peace to you both!!
You know, when I read Rems reply, I thought, Well, thats that he/she has his/her opinion about ME and obviously I cant change that. So I went on about my life. And then tonight I was compelled to look one more time, and lo and behold! Before we begin, however, I must ask you please please please do not misinterpret my tone: I am indeed fired up but not in anger, not at all. It is because you are still even bothering to discuss the matter, so I am quite excited. Now, then, Gumby, dear, you first:
Then you would have to agree that 2 Tim 3:16 is useless. "All scripture is god breathed, beneficial for teaching, reproving, that the man of god may be equipped" Jesus himself quoted from it as law. God supposedly, had men write it, direct it, and dispense it.........yet you say shelby a person doesn't need it......just ask and it will be opened.
No, sorry, dear one, but you are in error. Grave error. You have misstated me and totally misunderstood me. First, my Lord did not quote FROM either the Bible or scripture, but STATED law which was law LONG before it was written and then ONLY when replying to Satan or to the scribes/Pharisees who were attempting to use them against HIM. He said to THEM, it is written, because obviously they were testing him as to whether he KNEW or not. But of course he knew: he was the means by which such law was handed down TO man.
Second, the only time he quoted FROM scripture yes, even READ from it was ONCE when he stood up in the synagogue and quoted Isaiah and then stated that the prophesy that he was to come to do Jahs will, as it was written in the scroll, had now been fulfilled. That was the ONLY time he was recorded to open the law (or open a Bible for some of you). Once.
The REASON that my Lord never quoted FROM the scriptures is that he didnt NEED to: he didnt NEED to check the law so as to see what is said to do or not do, what was right or wrong because he HAD the law WRITTEN ON HIS HEART and not written on either stone tablets or on paper in delible ink. So, even if there had been no written law, as we understand written, he STILL could have said thatas it was indeed written on his heart.
And I indeed said that a person doesnt need the Bible, for the Bible is NOT all scripture. I have stated that here on this board I dont know HOW many times. My Lord did NOT quote from the Bible COULD not quote from the Bible because when he was in the flesh there WAS no Bible.
Shelby,...if you or I could see how many through history have asked, begged, pleaded......how many would there be?
Tell me, Gumb, please you yourself what did you ask FOR? What did you plead FOR? Beg FOR? Tell me, please. Seriously. I want to know. Not to ridicule you my question is sincere and honest. I would like to ask you and any others to take a moment and stop and reflect: what was it you asked FOR? For knowing that will help you
Was the door opened to all these asking? Why is it Rem, SS, Dannybear, Shakita, have all asked and now we are where we are?
Yes, the Door is open to ALL who are wishing, thirsting and asking. And the Spirit and the Bride KEEP saying Come! You are where you are because well, see above and keep reading. Please.
Are we bad people?
Of COURSE not! Who ever implied that? Certainly not me! You are, however misled.
Do you think our hearts are evil and we do not really seek truth?
No, I do not think your hearts are evil at all nor does my Father or my Lord. You could not show me the love you do, if that were the case. And yes, I DO think you are seeking Truth. The very fact that this discussion has continued lends to that.
However, you do not yet know what that truth IS that you seek. You seek truth as earthling man has described it to you, his definition: the accuracy of information. But what you and many others fail to SEE (dear Lord, help me help THEM understand this) is that the TRUTH is not a WHAT or a HOW or a WHEN or a WHY but a WHO!! If you could just open your mind and your heart to understand THAT then you would understand what it is you NEED to ask for versus what you have asked for and from WHOM. Can you not hear what is stated at Revelation 3:17?
I know your deeds that you are neither hot nor cold I wish you cold or else hot So, because you are LUKEWARM I am going to vomit you out of my mouth.
Wait! Please dont stop there! Please for HE doesnt stop there! Please keep reading and HEAR and get the sense of it for such is NOT talking about what the WTBTS and religion told you it was. Nor is this:
Because YOU say, I am rich and have acquired riches and do not need ANYTHING AT ALL but you do NOT KNOW that you ARE miserable and pitiable and poor and BLIND and naked.
Think ummmm. MATRIX! (Sorry, but I am trying to speak YOUR language that which you CAN understand!) Those people THOUGHT they saw, THOUGHT they knew keep reading
I ADVISE YOU to buy from ME gold refined by fire that you may BECOME rich and white outer garments (a white robe) that you may BECOME dressed and that the shame of YOUR nakedness (like that of Adam and Eve) may not become MANIFESTED and EYESALVE to rub in your eyes that you MAY see.
(Please keep reading)
ALL those I have affection for I reprove and DISCIPLINE.
Why? Why reprove us... why discipline us? Because discipline YIELDS PEACEABLE FRUIT namely RIGHTEOUSNESS. But it is NOT the discipline that earthling man and religion has taught you! It is NOT punishment but training. A 're proof' is NOT, "You worthless child, you!" No, it is "No, child, you don't want to do that!" The Law Covenant which was training FOR THE FLESH... was FULFILLED so now, there is no punishment, but only training... FOR THE SPIRIT! For God does not wish ANY to die but ALL to attain to repentance.
But so many of you so many rather than welcome the training which is what discipline IS abhor it. You abhor it, because of the reproof and discipline put upon you NOT by GOD... but by earthling man, under the guise of speaking FOR God. But theirs is false. For it is true that discipline belongs to sons, dear one. Ind eed, what LOVING father does not discipline TEACH, TRAIN his children? And God's discipline is DONE in love. Did you not read... did yo not hear... the discipline taught by Christ... and HOW he taught it? Whom did he condemn... and for what... other than those who 'shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men?" But, because of earthling mans definition and religions manifestation of discipline you have been TAUGHT NOT to love discipline but the REJECT it! You have be en taught that it is "bad"... because their manifestation of it is bad? Can you not see that? And can you not see how that has served THEIR purpose... and not God's?!
I can tell you.......we have.
Of course, you have. But you have based on what youve been taught BY EARTHLING MAN versus what you were taught by your heavenly Father through Christ. Earthling man taught you what to ask and pray for; my Lord also taught you what to ask and pray for. To whom did you LISTEN? To whom did our heavenly Father TELL us to listen? The error is not with God and Christ, dear Gumby it is with us, earthling man. We listen to everyone BUT the One we were told to listen to.
And yes Shelby....we are leary of putting trust in things again.....and thats good.
Indeed, it is good. Therefore, you must test the inspired expression. However, the things that the WTBTS and religion have taught you: where is the proof? Is it not in their WORKS? And what are their works? I ask you: the things they taught YOU to do did/do THEY do? And what then were we told about those who say but do not DO?
What did you/we/I do? We put our trust in them, didnt we? Even though we were told not to. And now where are we? Even further separated from God even MORE untrusting lacking faith to an even GREATER degree! Do you not see their PURPOSE? Do you not see who they work for and the desired result? They are accomplishing exactly what they were designed to do: mislead, IF POSSIBLE EVEN THE CHOSEN ONES! Thus, the admonishment STAY AWAKE!
There are many things we have put our trust in......when we believe it.
I agree. And hey, Danny I am surprised at your comment, as well:
What is unfortunate is that defender's of 'the faith'.
I dont know to whom you refer, for I am not a defender of the faith, but rather, a defender of who and what I am by means of faith. There is a BIG difference.
Will try and minimize or subvert the obvious. For one to 'believe' in Christ Jesus (arisen) you must have unreserved confidence that the bible is what it claims to be.
And what does the Bible claim to be versus what EARTHLING MAN has claimed it to be?
Words and messages supplied from god himself.
The Bible says states records contains information that indicates NO SUCH THING, Danny. It is earthling man that has perpetuated that myth. Surely you know that.
No amount of backpeddeling or excuses for what it say's, can change that fact.
No excuses or backpeddling is necessary because that is NOT a fact. What IS necessary is for you all to DROP what you have been taught especially what you've been taught the Bible SAYS... and what such sayings MEAN... ENTIRELY. LET IT GO! Go back to square one back to the FOUNDATION CORNERSTONE on which faith is BUILT the Christ and let HIM teach you!
Start over! Lose everything RELIGION has taught you and return to the One who gave his life for you the Fine Shepherd who gave his LIFE for the sheep because he loves them versus the hired man who has no affection for the sheep because they are not HIS sheep. Truly, what does he care that you are misled? So long as his agenda is served what is it to him?
So 'believer's' must resort to all sorts of backhanded justification for a good deal of what it (the bible) declares.
There is no need for backhandedness, truly. Why should we not put our trust in the Bible, dear ones? Because it (1) is not scripture in its entirety, (2) is NOT the word of God, but contains scripture that directs us TO that Word; (3) has been tampered with by the false stylus of earthling man and SAYS so; (4) is NOT the word of God; (5) is for unbelievers who do not yet have the law written on their hearts, so that they have to see it in writing before they will condescend to hear what is true; (6) is NOT the word of God.
Man, dear ones whether earthling (terrestrial) or heavenly (celestial) does not live by bread alone but by the WORD than came forth from God. (You have even been misled by that this statements truly says... and means.)
As always, I bid you all the greatest of peace.
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,
SJ
