Do We Really Know Who Is Responsible For 9/11? (page 10)

mike047

151; I have an ottoman that is worn out and needs recovering. I have not complained before, though.

mike

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And you bleeding-heart fuckwits who think he needs some sort of "chance" can go to rot in your liberal hell and reap your liberal nonsense as a consequence.

First you set up a strawman, then you attack it with an obscene appeal to your authority. Sometimes you're clever, Farkel, but this is hateful and stupid. Try it on Rush Limbaugh.

Crazydrinker did a fair job of answering your questions, but I could expand on that if you'd like. Part of the hate indeed is because of US support for Israel. The Muslim hatred of Israel is religious, not political. It goes all the way back to Mohammed slaughtering and exiling Jews who didn't accept him as a prophet when he had to run and hide in Medina from his Arab brothers in Mecca. Islam has been a religion spread first and foremost by the sword. It took Christianity over 300 years to pick up the sword, it took Mohammed about 10 years.

Realist

crazy,

E: From time to time we mess them up

come on now! you must have laughed yourself when you wrote that!!! :-))

to put that in the right order:

They hate us because E: From time to time we mess them up equally important as B: We support Isreal >> C: We have a different Religion >>> D: We give rights to our people and WOMEN > A: We are better off then them

since roman times there were arabs living in that region that is now israel.

Yeru,

i sit in vienna, a city that was almost conquered by the islamists in the 17th century...so i know about the history of islam and i can tell you i despise it!!!! BUT this doesn'T change anything about the current situation...

the US is involved in the region because of economical interests and because of israel (which should have been founded somewhere in idaho or north dakota!) ... the arabs got screwed over and over again ... and that is the reason why they particularly hate americans.

Edited by - realist on 15 January 2003 13:9:3

Yerusalyim

Why pray tell should Israel have been founded anywhere other than it's traditional homeland. Palestine as it existed in 1903 was ENORMOUS. It covered all of present day Israel, Lebenon, Jordan, and parts of Syria. When it was broken down by the British after WW1 the "Palestinians" recieved three seperate "homelands." The Jews that were already and always there and the Jews that began to immigrate into what was left of Palestine bought the most useless land there and turned it into an agricultural marvel. The United Nations decided to found a homeland for both Jews and Palestinians. The Jews said yes, the Palestinains said no. The Arabs then attacked Israel when it took the right granted it and declared independence. The Arab position was that they rejected the very idea of a jewish homeland. This was a RELIGIOUS conviction, not a political one.

Pleasuredome

why do the US and Britain need inspectors to find what weapons are stockpiled in Iraq? all they have to do is
look at the receipts.

Emiliano

For anyone intrested at looking at it :

Kamel: Jews, Israel, And The US

Edited by - Emiliano on 15 January 2003 14:2:32

Realist

yeru,

i think we debated that once already....there were only 15.000 jews or so in that area in 1900....next to half a million palestinians.

since all cities existed already one can only conclude that the jews were a small minority there.

just on a side note...i don't consider the arabs as particularly gifted people but with as much support as israel got even the palestinians could have turned that land into a paradise.

heathen

Realist - That's a legitamate point there . I took the liberty to research some things on the relationship between the jews and the US. First off ,since this seems to always involve a religious despute - The jewish nation was removed from any favoritism with God and was annihilated by the roman empire in 70 ce. Secondly - The US has spent countless billions of dollars building the nation of isreal. Those people are not even good allies . They have been known to attack US naval vessels , they stole uranium from the US in order to make nukes. They have violated treaty after treaty with their neighbors .It's pittiful that anyone would want to support a facist state like Isreal. I like this point-- the US is involved in the region because of economical interests and because of israel (which should have been founded somewhere in idaho or north dakota!) ... the arabs got screwed over and over again . This is a profound statement indeed.It would have saved the US billions of dollars.

Pleasuredome - lol . If they didn't know he already had them they would probly be trying to sell it to him.

Farkel - You need to take a chill pill buddy. Join the discussion and forget the fact that we are all ignorant dip f@#ks .

Yerusalyim

Realist,

And I'll point out again that that half a million figure was for ALL OF GREATER PALESTINE to include Jordan, Lebenon and parts of Syria. By British figures the Population in 1922 in what was left of Palestine after the divisions of Jordan and Lebenon, there were some 84,000 Jews and 500,000 Arabs. In 1947 there were aprox 600,000 Jews and 1.2 Million Arabs. Seems everybody was doing some immigration.

All the cities did NOT exist. Tel Aviv is a particularly Jewish creation.

...i don't consider the arabs as particularly gifted people but with as much support as israel got even the palestinians could have turned that land into a paradise.

Ummm, from whom were the jews receiving funds before 1948, not the US government. No sir, most of what the Jews did to turn the Holy Land into an agricultural haven was from sweat equity alone. They drained swamps and reclaimed desert lands. There was a stated policy of buying land that wouldn't displace the indigenous Arabs. Once all the junk land was bought, the Jews did indeed start buying the already settled land from the absentee landlords in Turkey, Arabia, Egypt, etc. BUT they BOUGHT the land, the didn't steal it.

The Arabs had their chance in 1948, the division of land gave the Arabs 115 thousand acres of arable land and the Jews less than 5000. The Arabs rejected the offer and five arab armies then assaulted the Jews when they legally (by way of the UN) declared themselves a state. The Arab armies were responsible for most of the Arabs that were displaced during the war. The Arabs were the ones who kept using the West Bank and Gaza to assault the Jewish state.

Heaten,

On the religious issues, no, God did NOT reject Israel. Read Romans 11:25-29.

Edited by - Yerusalyim on 15 January 2003 15:1:51

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