Back2dafront, what was Sept 11 the "result" of? Did you personally do something to those fanatics that justifies what they did to your countrymen? If so, I'd really be interested to know just what it was!
Peace March around the World
by JH 37 Replies latest jw friends
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Trauma_Hound
Back2dafront, what was Sept 11 the "result" of? Did you personally do something to those fanatics that justifies what they did to your countrymen? If so, I'd really be interested to know just what it was!
What the hell does september 11th have to do with a war in iraq? There has never been any connection between saddamn, and september 11th made. Hello!
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back2dafront
you don't want to hear what i have to say about 9/11, and you obviously didn't understand what I said above. We instigate, they react. What would provoke you to give your life to fly a plane into one of their buildings? I'm too tired to argue the whole 9/11 thing, but do yourself a favor and open-mindly research all the happenings of the weeks leading up to 9/11 and shortly thereafter. Research where the anthrax was traced to. Find out what stocks were sold days before the attack. Whatever happened to trying to find out if the White House knew before the attack, eh? There's a ton of evidence that should leave big questions in your head as to if the public was told the truth about this event. And do yourself a favor and don't believe everything you hear on CNN for christ sake - what does it take for people to understand the government controls the media?? Do you not realize that they can do whatever they damn well please, and then tell the media what to report and they'll do it??? You're the type that would rather sit back and be told what's going on rather than research and find out the TRUTH for yourself. Don't become victim to the PROPAGANDA.
I made no mention of WWII, only the problems in the middle east, thank you.
There's no point in even arguing with close-minded, racist people anymore. I just realized there's a lot of similarities in Americans and Muslims. They both think their leaders are the best, and that God is behind them, when in all actuality their leaders are as evil as evil gets. You think Bush is a saint, eh? You just wait and see. I know evil when I see it, and that man is EVIL. By ones fruit you shall know him, right?
The whole world is wicked and is lying in the power of the wicked one. I never knew how true that scripture was until recently.
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Aztec
Here we go again....
*sigh*
Agrees with back2dafront
~Aztec
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ISP
War is usually good for popularity of leaders.........also sluggish economies.
ISP
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Stephanus
No-one in the western world did anything deserving of S11 - end of story!
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Aztec
I am reposting this for anyone who did not read it. It describes how I feel exactly! Sorry but I am one of those annoying peaceniks...
The ones who will suffer the most will be innocent ones...
Understanding Oil
By Serj Tankian
9/13/2001
The brutal attacks/bombings this week in New York, and Washington D.C., along with threats of attacks there and elsewhere in the country have changed our times forever. While the mass media concentrates on the details of the destruction, and the blanketed words of politicians, I will attempt to understand and explain the events from the fence. BOMBING AND BEING BOMBED ARE THE SAME THINGS ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE FENCE.
Terror is not a spontaneous human action without credence. People just dont hijack planes and commit harikari (suicide) without any weight of thought to the action. No one in the media seems to ask WHY DID THESE PEOPLE DO THIS HORRIFIC ACT OF VIOLENCE AND DESTRUCTION?
To be able to understand the answer to this, we must first look at our U.S. Mideast Policy. During most of the 20th century, U.S. businesses have worked on attaining oil rights and concessions from countries in the Middle East and Eastern Europe. After WWI, secret back door deals by our State Dept. yielded oil rights from then defeated Turkey to fields in what is now Iraq and Saudi Arabia, in return for looking the other way at a crime against humanity, the Genocide of the Armenians by the Turks. Oil profits have been the motivating factors behind many attempts at counterinsurgency of democratic regimes by the CIA and the U.S in the Middle East (such as Iran in the 1950s, where the Shah replaced the Prime Minister who refused to give up oil rights to the U.S., and since the people couldnt deal with the Shah, an extremist government headed by the Ayatollah Khomeini ultimately prevailed). During the Iran-Iraq war, America supplied both sides with weapons and advice. These are not the actions of a rich superpower wanting peace. Lets not forget that Saddam Hussein, before being Americas vision of the Anti-Christ, was a close ally of the U.S., and the CIA. So what was the firm belief system of consecutive American administrations that caused all this to occur ? PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST WILL LEAD TO HIGHER OIL AND GASOLINE PRICES. Lets not also forget the power of the Arms industry, disguised as defense, that still sells billions of dollars of weapons to the area. Therefore it has not been in the short-term economic interest of the U.S. to foster Peace in the Middle East. Using the above reasoning, the U.S. has encouraged extremist governments, toppled democracies, as in the case of Iran to replace it with a monarchy, rigged elections, and many more unspeakable political crimes for U.S. businesses abroad. Lets not also forget the Red Scare. During the war between the then Soviet Union and Afghanistan, the U.S. armed and supported the Taliban, a fundamentalist Muslim organization, and allowed them to export opium and heroin out of their country to pay for those weapons. Therefore the Taliban rose to power and control with the help of the U.S.A. Today, the bombing of Iraq still continues, no longer covered by the media, the economic embargo still remains, killing millions of children, and recently, while the world and the U.N. General Assembly have cried out to bring in peacekeeping forces into Israel and Palestine, to end the escalated war and recent assassinations, the U.S. has vetoed the rest of the Security Council and has halted the possibility of peace, there, in the most volatile place in the world.
People in Serbia, Lebanon, Iraq, Sudan, and Afghanistan to name a few have seen bombs fall, not always at military targets and kill innocent civilians, as the scene in New York city yesterday. The wars waged by our government in our names has landed smack in the middle of our living room. The half hour of destruction closed down all world financial markets, struck the central headquarters of our military, and had our leaders running into bunkers, and our citizens into fear and frenzy. What scares me more than what has occurred is what our reactions to the occurrences may cause. President Bush belongs to a long generation of Republican Presidents who love war economies. The media has only concentrated on the bombings, if you will, and what type of retaliations are looming for the perpetrators. What everyone fails to realize is that the bombings are a reaction to existing injustices around the world, generally unseen to most Americans. To react to a reaction would be to further sponsor the reaction. In other words, my belief is that the terror will multiply if concrete steps are not taken to sponsor peace in the middle east, NOW. This does not mean that we should not find the guilty party(s), Bin Laden, or whoever they may be, and not try them. Put simply, as long as a major injustice remains, violence precipitates to the surface of life.
Native American folklore, the Bible, Nostradamus, and many other major religious beliefs point to this era with the visuals of yesterdays disasters, and conditions of ecological disasters we experience daily in our lives today. War, rumors of war, famine, long burning fires, etc., are at our doorstep. We can prevail over this possible vision with the power of the human spirit, understanding, compassion, and peace. ITS TIME TO PUT OUR NEEDS FOR SECURITY AND SURVIVAL, ACHIEVED ONLY THROUGH PEACE, ABOVE AND BEYOND PROFITS, ESPECIALLY IN THESE TIMES.
SOLUTION:
The U.S. should stop sidestepping the U.N. Security Council, and allow U.N. Peacekeeping troops and missions to the Middle East. Stop the violence first.
Stop the bombing and patrol of Iraq.
With todays gains in the use of alternative fuels, develop them to full usage with autos and other utilities, to make the country less dependant on an already depleting natural reserve, oil.
By initiating peace, we would have already shaken the foundations of support for Bin Laden, and/or all those that sponsor activities like those we saw yesterday, and break the stronghold of extremists on the world of Islam. On the other hand, if we carry out bombings on Afghanistan or elsewhere to appease public demand, and very likely kill innocent civilians along the way, wed be creating many more martyrs going to their deaths in retaliation against the retaliation. As shown from yesterdays events, you cannot stop a person whos ready to die.This was originally posted 2 days after Sept. 11th but it still applies..
Hey there all you bloodthirsty ones tell me we did NOTHING to cause people to hate us again please....
~Aztec
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Aztec
Also did anyone notice George W. Bush's popularity is dipping quite fast? LOL
Good point ISP
~Aztec
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gsx1138
We don't live in a vacuum people. Since others are sidestepping I'll say it, 9/11 is a result of our policies in the middle east. Does that justify their actions? No. But we are just doing the same damn thing that got us into this mess in the first place. Iraq has never been shown to have anything to do with 9/11. All I hear are the same fear tactics used during the cold war to justify any action. Saddam would not sell or give WMD to terrorists because he knows they could be traced back to him and then he'd get nuked. It is this same motivation that kept him from using them during the first Gulf War even as he was getting his ass kicked.
What ever happened to Bush showing us how Saddam is linked to Al Quieda? There was no link, so he jumped on the WMD bandwagon. Back2dafront put it very soundly, most citizens of the U.S. are no different than those in the Middle East. Both are willing to just believe whatever their told, both think god is on their side, both are full of ethnocentric assholes, both think that might makes right. Only difference is we sit in an armored bunker and fire missiles from 2,000 miles away, while they have to get up close and personal.
Spin the propoganda anyway you like but war with Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terrorism. I like to call it Operation Finish Daddies War.
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Flip
...thousands of people all around the world asking for peace instead of war. Do you think that these peace rallies will really make a difference?
As good as the intentions of the protests appear to be, I doubt the folks who sanctioned, agreed with and organized the decision to slam 4 fully fuel loaded, passenger carrying aircraft into two Manhattan buildings, an office complex and a remote field during what started out as a beautiful morning, are listening, let alone, taking to heart the protests requests.
Perhaps if larger and more frequent protests are organized those misunderstood but well-meaning opposing protestors will be impressed with the sincerity enough to relinquish their affiliation with Big Moe's Mile High Club while the Western world promises not to build such tall office buildings.
