Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all" (page 3)

Sea Breeze

This is an example of irrational response to the plain voice of scripture. All for the sake of maintaining a doctrine not taught in the Bible but borrowed from paganism. You're converting no one.

@vienne

You and Russell are out of your minds on this point. Yall don't convert anyone with an ounce of common sense.

Or, do you wish to make a false universal doctrine out of yet another philosophical statement "under the sun" from Ecclesiastes ?

"money is the answer for everything” (Ecclesiastes 10:19)

Why don't you believe that vienne? Ummm?

The writer of Ecclesiastes ultimately rejects a carnal point of view ("under the sun") as striving after wind.... the one you (selectively) embrace. People want to believe that when they die there is no consciousness because they believe there is some comfort in that. Jesus is the ONLY source of comfort .... ever.... not some fake hope of unconsciousness.The reality is that Jesus taked over and over again about consciousness after death.

Every person ever born will be conscious forever. Jesus really wanted people to get this, if they got nothing else.

No Bible character places more stress on hell as the final consequence of God’s judgment for unatoned sin than Jesus. God’s Son was the greatest theologian on hell.

Jesus was the one who compared hell to the Valley of Hinnom near Jerusalem,thus “Gehenna” took hold as a name for hell. He also compared it to prison and to outer darkness. It was he who likened hell to “a fire” at least twenty different times.

“Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in Him” (John 3:14-15).

Jesus invites everyone to spend eternity with Him instead.

He stated that he would die of his own free will and resurrect himself to show that he knew what he was talking about. I think I'll take him at his word. He is not someone that would mislead people, he is the TRUTH.

enoughisenough

If the dead conscious, then that means they are alive...whether in burning torment or heavenly bliss if you prefer that teaching...then you never really died at all - making what Satan told Eve the truth....Job isn't having his compulsory rest and Lazurus wasn't really asleep ( Jesus just lied ) ...What is the point of resurrection from the dead if you have never really been dead to begin with?

EasyPrompt

@SeaBreeze,

Ecclesiastes 10:19

"Bread is made for laughter, and wine makes life enjoyable; but money answers every need."

Jesus made bread for the masses.

Jesus made water into wine.

Jesus made money to meet the need when Peter said they would pay the head tax.

Follow Jesus.

Blotty

Seabreeze:
" He is not someone that would mislead people, he is the TRUTH." - actually like this, may steal it one day.

No he wouldn't mislead anyone, However he (from our point of view is cryptic) + we are missing many ancient texts which would help us make sense of those times.
People can jump to conclusions however - in essence they mislead themselves

smiddy3

Jesus made money to meet the need when Peter said they would pay the head tax.

So , Jesus is a counterfeiter? A criminal ?

Interesting.

Sea Breeze

If the dead are conscious, then that means they are alive

@enoughisenough,

No it means your assumption about the definition of death is different than the biblical definition of death. Modern Materialism gained steam in the 17th century. This is the template that you are superiposing on scripture.

The bible gives the definition of death early on:

Gen. 35: 17 - Now it came to pass, when she was in hard labor, that the midwife said to her, “Do not fear; you will have this son also.” 18 And so it was, as her soul was departing (for she died), that she called his name Ben-Oni; but his father called him Benjamin.

Bbilical death means separtion from your body.

enoughisenough, It is not necessary for you (or anyone else) to abandon belief in Materialism, that is personal choice. However, it is necessary for you to change your assumption on death when reading scripture if you wish to understand it as the writers and the early readers did.

Lazurus wasn't really asleep ( Jesus just lied )

Lazarus' body appeared asleep - motionless.

Instead of assuming that a man who walkied out of a tomb is a liar, ever think that just maybe Materialism is a lie? Maybe man is constituted of a soul, body, & spirit like scripture plainly states in two NT places. Maybe Jesus is correct when he taught consciousnesss after death dozens of times.

What prompts you to assume as truth ideas from men who lie & die over Him who publically demonstrated his power over death? What (or who) could compare with a display of power and authority like that?

TonusOH

Ecclesiastes 10:19 "Bread is made for laughter, and wine makes life enjoyable; but money answers every need."

It seems like a basic comparison. Food and drink have specific uses and benefits, while money can provide for a broader range of needs. This does not contradict any Bible teachings about money, IMO. Money is good, and money is useful, and obsessing over money can be harmful-- these are not exclusive statements.

enoughisenough

Lev 17:11 ( look it up on one of the sites where you can see several translations at a time...it would appear the word soul and life are being used interchangabely.) as in: The life is in the blood or the soul is in the blood...anyway blood is used to make atonement for soul ( or life )...so beings the soul ( life ) needs atonement, then that logically means souls sin. EZE 18:4 lells us the soul who sins will die not live on somewhere else. So choose to believe the soul lives on if that is what you wish...///Now if you really believe the soul lives on, the soul or life is in the blood ( Lev 17:11)-when you get a blood tranfusion, then logically ,you are getting another person's living soul. ( unless you want to argue that the writer of Lev didn't know of which he wrote as the writer of ECC didn't know. ) If you belive the Bible is the inspired word of God, do you get to pick and choose only the parts you like to be inspired? ( barring some texts the translators deliberately altered) ( as to money-from where I am sitting it does met a response to our physical needs in the world in which we live)

EasyPrompt

smiddy3: "Jesus made money to meet the need when Peter said they would pay the head tax."

Matthew 17:24-27

"...go to the sea, cast a fishhook, and take the first fish that comes up, and when you open its mouth, you will find a silver coin. Take that and give it to them for me and you."

The point is that Jesus did not say "money is evil" or "money is fleshly" or "don't listen to the book of Ecclesiastes especially that one verse about money meets every need." By his example and his words, Jesus showed that the Hebrew-Aramaic Scriptures aka the "Old Testament" are valid and and inspired of God.

aqwsed12345 is writing a bunch of stuff to try to say that Ecclesiastes is invalid and unChristian. Jesus example proves that aqwsed12345 is making stuff up. Jesus provided bread, wine, and money when it was the appropriate time.

Ecclesiastes 10:19

"Bread is made for laughter, and wine makes life enjoyable; but money answers every need."

Ecclesiastes 9:5 is also true. Jesus' example proves it.

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten."

Jesus wasn't "mostly dead" when he died. He couldn't "resurrect himself". He was all dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBxMPqxJGqI

Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

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