Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

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  • cofty
    cofty

    Ouch!

    Appalling choice of phrase.

    I don't distrust Sadiq Khan. Maajid Nawaz has respect for him which is not a bad recommendation.

  • bohm
    bohm

    SBF: What, are you now accusing the fine publication of Breitbart of not being completely honest in it's reporting?

    I am sure if any mistake was made by this powerhouse of journalistic integrity it was completely unrelated to the Muslimness of Khan...

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    On the thread we've had:

    claims that Muslims didn't speak out against Westminster attack when they did

    claims that Muslims didn't join vigil against murder in Glasgow when they did

    words of Muslim Mayor twisted and taken out of context to imply he is not a moderate

    And so on. If right wingers have the right of this debate, why do they need to rely so much on lies and distortion? Is the a single "fact" against Muslims on this thread that actually bears scrutiny?

  • bohm
    bohm

    SBF: Don't forget the definition of a good Muslim on page 2:

    "to be a good Muslim you have to be a butcher and a rapist".

    Actually, if you start from that assumption/definition/idea I kind of get a lot of the points made on this thread.

  • Simon
    Simon
    Don't forget the definition of a good Muslim on page 2 ...
    Actually, if you start from that assumption/definition/idea I kind of get a lot of the points made on this thread.

    You've been given the opportunity to explain why you believe that is not the case, So far you have refused to even try.

    Are ISIS Muslim? why or why not?

    Are they more or less Muslim than "moderate" Muslims? why or why not?

    Tell us why ISIS should not be considered the most devout followers of Islam. Obama said they don't represent Islam - is he right or full of shite? If they don't represent it, show how they are violating its creeds.

    And I'm not interested in playing your stupid word games. Talk about what actually matters if you think you have a point or admit that you are just full of liberal hot air.

  • bohm
    bohm

    Simon: I believe ISIS are Muslim, of course!. I also believe that e.g. Maajid Nawaz is a Muslim.

    What I object to is the view that we should think ISIS is what it means exclusively to be a "Good Muslim" (or more specifically, that it means you should rape and butcher). I don't bear the burden of proof to establish that claim. If it turns out that none of us know what it means to be a "good Muslim" you will still not be correct.

    You've been given the opportunity to explain why you believe that is not the case, So far you have refused to even try

    Well I believe I have but here goes again:

    • 1) I believe Maajid Nawaz is a Muslim
    • 2) Maajid Nawaz does not rape and butcher, or believe anyone should
    • 3) I got no grounds to make the judgment Maajid Nawaz is not a "good Muslim" whereas ISIS is which is not begging the question. I don't know if anyone can.

    I would challenge you in return to first make it clear if you believe "good Muslim" is an "ought"-claim and then secondly, outline your argument for how that particular ought is derived.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    I believe ISIS are Muslim

    I believe Maajid Nawaz is a Muslim - whom do you believe to be more devout? ISIS or Maajid Nawaz?

    (Bear in mind that Nawaz received death threats for putting an image of Muhammad on his FB page; ISIS carry out Sharia punishments.)

  • bohm
    bohm
    LUHE: whom do you believe to be more devout? ISIS or Maajid Nawaz?

    Devout? As in "totally committed to a cause or belief"? ISIS for sure.

    Notice this is an "is"-claim: Who is more committed.

    Westboro Baptist Church are likely amongst the most devout Christians. I don't think that makes them good Christians, which is what we are discussing.

    (Bear in mind that Nawaz received death threats for putting an image of Muhammad on his FB page; ISIS carry out Sharia punishments.)

    Bear in mind I had bananas and a protein shake for lunch. Just something random to bear in mind.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    (Bear in mind that Nawaz received death threats for putting an image of Muhammad on his FB page; ISIS carry out Sharia punishments.) - this is to do with our discussion - we're discussing Muslims. Maajid Nawaz, a Sunni, posted a picture of Mo on his FB page, despite this being forbidden. This means that he's not devout. ISIS kills Muslims and infidels for insulting the prophet. This means that they're very devout.

    'Good' and 'bad' Muslims are highly subjective terms that muddy the waters.

    Westboro Baptist Church are likely amongst the most devout Christians. I don't think that makes them good Christians, which is what we are discussing - we're not discussing Christians, we're discussing Muslims.

    Bear in mind I had bananas and a protein shake for lunch. Just something random to bear in mind - this nonsense has nothing to do with our discussion..

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Devout? As in "totally committed to a cause or belief"? ISIS for sure - what cause/belief is ISIS committed to?

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