Bollocks. The Central Mosque declined an invitation but that doesn't mean not one Muslim was there. An activist friend of mine was there, with Muslim colleagues, and Hamza Yousaf MSP was there.
Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS
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cofty
Do you know why the central mosque refused to attend?
There is a serious problem with Islamic extremism in Glasgow.
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Bungi Bill
The need is more for surgical precision, rather than a "Kick the Saloon Door Down and Let Drive with the Six Guns" approach is all I was trying to say!
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scotsman
Your post was incorrect, with intent - a lie. Nor was the vigil organised by the local MP.
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cofty
I had a clear memory of an article from the time reporting on the woeful lack of support for the vigil by the local muslim community. In particular it reported on the sympathy for extremism within the Glasgow mosque. If a number of individual muslims did attend then I apologise for making a misleading statement.
The point of the OP in this thread stands. Although those who will actually carry out acts of violence is relatively small those who sympathise is much larger.
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LoveUniHateExams
LUHE:
What is your point? - my point is that some of us Western, anti-religious people may think that to be a good Muslim means following all the religion's rules and doctrine (including all the violent, retarded bits). This may or may not be true, and perhaps should be discussed in another thread.
But Maajid Nawaz doesn't need police protection from these Richard Dawkins-types - these people aren't the problem.
Many Muslims definitely consider him to be a bad Muslim or, worse, an apostate.
He needs police protection from the many Muslims who think this. He has, unfortunately, received multiple death threats from his co-religionists.
Do you think he is a bad muslim? - I don't think he is a good Muslim or a bad Muslim. I believe he's a good person, in that he's doing the difficult (and dangerous) task of critically examining his own faith and trying to make it fit with 21st century Western society, culture & values. This is a good thing - do you agree?
I believe he is a rare Muslim. Many millions more Muslims should be doing what he's doing - striving to make their ridiculous but dangerous religion compatible with our great values.
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LoveUniHateExams
The more we bomb them the more we will create martyrs and Angry Young Men - the problem is, they were angry enough to fly passenger planes into the twin towers and pentagon before any bombs were dropped.
You're getting the two antagonists (the West & radical Islam) in the cycle of violence the wrong way round, I think.
It will soon undergo an 'Enlightenment', like Christianity did - naïve little Fukitol, gazing into his crystal ball there.
That's just what you want to happen - doesn't mean it will.
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Simon
Islam is currently in a phase that Christianity was in about two/three centuries ago.
It will soon undergo an 'Enlightenment', like Christianity did
Those waiting for an Islamic reformation may be disappointed - Islam has had it's reformation and it's morphed into a purer, more obsessive and strict version of itself. What ISIS does though is have the effect of making the "normal" evil of Islam somehow appear acceptable, like "hey, we'd settle for that":
"Sure, they want Sharia and stoning women in the street, but at least they are the moderate Muslims, not the ones who want to burn women alive in cages like ISIS !"
Well we shouldn't lower our standards just because we have some and they don't.
Even if you took the "terrorism" out of Islam, it's still a fanatical death cult that terrorizes millions of people's lives.
Also, the idea that you create more by fighting them ... where did that come from? Why didn't we try and hug the Nazis better instead of fighting them? Crushing Islam is what helps Muslims. People who defend Islam and don't want to see it confronted are, IMO, lacking in apathy for all those Muslims who suffer under it.
They are trapped in it as much as the Nazi or Japanese soldiers of WWII were trapped in their death cults. Not everyone can be saved, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and it doesn't mean we shouldn't fight.
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freemindfade
Islam loves death more than life.
And everyone saying how ashamed anyone else should be for criticizing a vile religion, or how criticizing it is worse than this bloodthirsty religion itself, you need to think about that for a minute.
Out of all religions you have attached some sort of get out of responsibility free card to islam. Because you THINK that makes you somehow virtuous.
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bohm
Simon: Well they have this book ... called the Quran ...
Very well. The Quran exists, that is an "it".
How can we go from that "it" to what it means to be a good Muslim? (an "ought").
and then other books that chronicle Mohammed's life that it's adherents are meant to imitate.
There is the "ought". How did that follow? Did we just solve Humes problem?
Why are they meant to imitate it? Why can't they pick and choose like modern Christians/jews do, or organize their beliefs around a church hierarchy/tradition like the Catholics, or whatever?
Luke talks about a burning hell, IMO one of the morally corrosive ideas both found in the Quran and the Bible. Does that mean a person who does not believe in a burning hell is not a "good Christian"? I don't think so, I certainly don't think there are any logical reasons for it.