Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman 315 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • towerwatchman
    towerwatchman

    Caedes

    I'm not sitting on the fence, I view belief in god in the way I view belief in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.

    The reason I am an atheist is because nobody has shown me one scrap of empirical evidence for a god or gods, I have not seen or heard anything that makes me think that the claims of theists hold any merit whatsoever. You are welcome to show me some evidence if you think you have something.

    Unless you are waiting for evidence that Santa or the Tooth Fairy exist, you are taking the position of a hard Atheist.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    One thing to note from all of this bantering with towerwatchman is that his personal beliefs are held in an element imagination and illusion. He does want to use logical reasoning on any information offered, in a matter of fact he twists information backwards as a means to prove it unverifiable.

    Cunning as it is this not expressed within true intellectual honesty so basically he's just come here to Troll and show how smart he is .......well in his own mind at least.

  • towerwatchman
    towerwatchman

    To Anony mous

    You need to stick to the subject matter, the origin of the universe and the question on the origin of life is one and the same. You're trying to separate the origin of life with the origin of chemistry in a feeble attempt to make a point while I've already reasoned you through why you can't do such things.

    Read back in the thread and the subject matter is the origin of biological information. You keep attempting to change it to the origin of the universe.

    You are just repeating the wrong question until someone agrees with your non-scientific viewpoint. I've already explained to you that there is no such thing as the generation or creation of new information in our known Universe, life is merely the arrangement of existing "information" in a particular sense, specific arrangements of things spontaneously happen in nature when entropy changes and will keep happening until the point all matter has reached equilibrium, that is true whether you accept it or not, the Universe doesn't care about your viewpoint.

    Programmers write code. Students ask questions. My wife leaves me a message about whom to pick up on the way home from work. Intelligent agents produce, generate, and transmit information all the time. Experience teaches this obvious truth.

    Webster defines information as ‘the attribute inherent in and communicated by alternative sequences or arrangements of something that produces specific effects.’

    Sequence Hypothesis = Francis Crick = suggested that the nucleotide bases in DNA functioned just like alphabetic letters in an English text or binary digits in software or a machine code. According to Crick’s hypothesis, it is the precise arrangement or sequence of these bases that determines the arrangement of amino acids which, in turn, determines protein folding and structure. In other words, the sequence specificity of amino acids in proteins derives from a prior specificity of arrangement in the nucleotide bases on the DNA molecule. Similar to CAD CAM

    Ask yourself - what is the most abstract definition of 'alive' you can come up with. Then see if you can find things in nature that don't truly match your definition but could still be considered alive. There is a range of grey area between what's classically alive (such as multi-celled organisms) and not-alive (viruses and single-celled organisms that are missing key parts of their cells) that the question stops making sense when you're trying to make the divide.

    What is the point?

    My question to you again: when does your intelligence (or deity) come into play between the Universe and the origin of life. What has 'he/she/it' created? Prove a clear separation between life and non-life chemistry before you make the argument of an interceder.

    Irrelevant. Has nothing to do with the subject matter. The origin of biological information.

  • cofty
    cofty
    the subject matter is the origin of biological information

    Information is simply a metaphor in biology.

    Comparative DNA proves beyond all possible doubt that every living thing evolved from a common ancestor over millions of years.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Having read lots of your copy-paste it is blindingly obvious your knowledge of evolution is nil.

    You don't even understand the anti-evolution bullshit you are pasting.

    You have never read a single book that presents the evidence for evolution in your entire life have you?

  • towerwatchman
    towerwatchman

    To Cofty

    You can keep repeating your self over and over again, does not make you right. Bottom line DNA is information. It was identified as information by Francis Crick who discovered it. Any person who writes computer programs sees the similarities. I have read many pro evolutionary books, and my conclusion to this day is the same. Should start with 'once upon a time.' The problem seems to be that the only thing you have every read is pro evolutionary propaganda.

  • cofty
    cofty
    The problem seems to be that the only thing you have every read is pro evolutionary propaganda.

    I spent most of my life immersed in creationism before I began to study evolution.

    Difference is I was humble enough to admit my mistake. You on the other hand...

    I normally debate creationists in the forum but you are too ignorant and arrogant to waste time on.

    Evolution is a fact. It does not require the consent of the superstitious and wilfully ignorant.

  • towerwatchman
    towerwatchman

    cofty

    I spent most of my life immersed in creationism before I began to study evolution. Difference is I was humble enough to admit my mistake. You on the other hand...I normally debate creationists in the forum but you are too ignorant and arrogant to waste time on. Evolution is a fact. It does not require the consent of the superstitious and wilfully ignorant.

    You can be immersed in anything up to your eyebrows, and it does not matter if you do not absorb or process anything. The one wasting time here is you. You keep ignoring the main point of my rebuttal and grab on to the most insignificant topic and post on it. We call those red herrings. But you are not the first evolutionist to do it. Seems more the norm that exception.

    In fact on the philosophical scene evolution is not a scientific theory, but metaphysical. Evolution is an abstract, speculative philosophy. Evolution does not qualify as a scientific theory. It is a fairytale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless and we have no absolute proof of it. Evolution rather than being a fact, is a faith, since it cannot meet the test of science.

    Notice the similarities, Christianity has a triune God, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Evolutionist also has a Trinity, Lady Luck, Father Time, and Mother Nature.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Total waste of time.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Couldn't agree more Cofty, that's why its a waste of time talking to this guy

    Therefore a Troll warning is appropriate

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