Do You Think “Higher Education “Is All That?? (page 3)

hoser

Send your capitalist kid to university and they come back a socialist

There are two streams of higher education a person can pursue. One of the Arts (including studying Art literally, Literature, Philosophy, history etc.) and vocational higher education for those desiring to move into medicine, engineering, law or education. Unfortunately, those studying the Arts generally will find conjecture due to the very nature of the material considered. For example, why is one work of art a treasure and another trash. The answer is found in personal and public opinion. The same goes for the valuing of ethics and social justice.

On the other hand, the calculation of load factors in bridge design is another issue all together, in that the answer is correct or not. And the same goes for the application of therapeutic techniques on people who are seriously ill ... or past legal judgements that act as precedents.

However in my experience, Professors, Doctors (those holding a doctorate) and other lecturers have proved to be very approachable and easy to question, even during a lecture. Of course no one will respond favorable if he is heckled by an argumentative student ... and neither would I, once I'd gone the hard yards of academia and personal practice.

In regards to employment, well that's another story all together, in that I've seen many students choose undergrad courses that will lead nowhere. As we know, you can study KLINGON at the University of Texas in Austin, if you like ... but I don't think that your chances are good in earning a living at speaking it.

no zombie

LV101

Yes - I think one can't have enough education, however, with the political climate schools are not really teaching people to think for themselves. The curriculum doesn't seem to be what it once was. You have to believe in one side and if you don't agree with that position you'll be ridiculed and who knows what other negatives you will suffer. It's reality. Students are being brainwashed - this now starts in grade school (elementary) and clearly in high school and college.

Students need to hear more than one side of the party - differing opinions freely discussed but now it's difficult. Yrs ago different speakers were allowed on campuses -- far left/far right. Now the administrations are only encouraging one political side and find many ways to control the political agenda.

TD

Min,

Colleges have become so liberal in their thinking that it’s worrisome to me. I wish they would just stick to giving a helpful education and stop trying to be social justice warriors.

It really depends on what you are studying because most universities are actually conglomerations of different colleges, schools, and institutions.

At Arizona State University, for example, there is the W P Carey School of Business, the Sandra Day O'Conner College of Law, the College of Integrative Sciences and Arts, the Ira A Fulton School of Engineering, the Mary Lou Fulton Teacher's College, the Edson College of Health Innovation, the Barrett Honors College, etc., etc., etc. -Six different campuses, miles apart from each other.

Examples of rabid liberalism like you are likely to hear from a conservative pundit or talk show host typically occur at colleges of liberal arts and sciences, (Or at the campus in which they reside) which is only a part of most universities.

LoveUniHateExams

This left-wing stuff Minimus is concerned about hasn't infested all uni subjects.

The traditional sciences are still relatively unscathed. I studied Biology and it wasn't a cess-pit of Communism, it didn't turn me into a socialist.

It's a big issue in the Arts, I believe.

JimmyYoung

looking at college not from a JW cult stand point, I think it can and many times is a huge waste of money. If one goes to college for a specific purpose like medical or business ect it can be a great way to make a career. But so many go and its only a huge social club that bends minds of oat meal into stupid left wing activist time wasters. Its only when they get older they see that the 100k bill for Russian lit is not worth the paper the degree is on. I think that is why we have so many thirty somethings living in moms basement.

RubaDub

I think the public speaking part was a big plus for JW's when we had the TMS. Now, that is being watered down compared to what is used to be.

JW's simply are not taught to think and analyze issues, rather just learn some things and parrot them back to others. If you can't remember what to say, just tell people to go to JW dot Org to find the answer.

Also, a major weakness that many JW's have is the ability to write. A few good courses in college in the Behavioral Sciences (Organization Behavior, Psychology, etc.) force you to learn to analyze, seek resources, research and then write in proper APA (American Psychological Association) style with properly inserted citations and references. This is typically the standard used for any type of informational or research paper.

APA style is a pain at first with all of the rules for margin width, indentations, double spacing, capitalization, bullet points, citing single authors of a work, two authors, three to six authors, more than six authors, etc. Then, depending on type of work being cited (book, magazine, journal, blog, on-line), when to use proper case, italics, dates, page numbers, editions, etc. etc. etc. And then not writing in first person but in third person active voice. If you have had to write papers which conform to proper APA standards, you know what I mean.

In the end, I still find myself using a lot of the APA stuff for business presentations and I guess it adds a few points to your credibility on what you are talking about when everything is properly structured.

A "standard" JW learning to be a window washer while in high school simply does not learn this.

Rub a Dub

WTWizard

Seems the colleges have been of late taking race-baiting positions. How much of this white-free space or time do we need? Not to mention, science is tied up. Anyone that deviates from the Establishment in science is going to flunk the course, and probably end up being "separated" from the school. For sure, no one that tries doing anything legitimately good for humanity is going to be able to make a living, and more so since they are blacklisted. And you get into 6-figure debt for that.

And just wait until Noahide Law gets thrown into this mix. In addition to going back to full Dark Ages "science(??)", we have a purge of anything that makes life worthwhile. At the extreme (and it will be at the extreme, since there is nothing stopping it), any activity you enjoy can be "idolatry". There is a reason why people like certain colors, certain songs, watching TV shows or listening to music of specific periods, collecting vintage items, researching or visiting specific states or countries, and so on. It is because you are attempting to connect with the energy of that item, period, or location. And that is against Noahide Law. And when you add the other 6 laws, it is a recipe for us all to be enslaved with no end or hope.

tiki

High school education in the USA has deteriorated badly. Kids graduate with a bachelor's degree from college and in some cases are no more educated than a high school grad from the 60's. I have first-hand experience from my work history...seeing reports from college grads who had poor grammar, couldn't spell or add columns of numbers. That is simply appalling. However, if the education from kindergarten thru high school does not prepare kids for the work force and adult life, college becomes a necessity.

I do not believe college is the best option for everyone though. I am a strong supporter of the trades...very good livings can be made in plumbing, electrical, construction, etc. And the physical labor is something many prefer and thrive doing.

As for the liberal thinking promoted...part of a good education is opening your mind to all ways of thinking....critical reasoning and coming to grips with personal beliefs. Narrow-mindedness is a form of ignorance...and when acted on produces poor results.

minimus

Wizard, what is it with you and Noahide law? If I asked the question, what is your favorite meal, you’d come up with something about Noahide Law. Cut it out ! You’re driving m crazy!!! lol

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