It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued) (page 199)

The Lloyd Evans Doctrine: When a item of significance and importance to the exJW cause is out there, it is imperative to distribute this piece of intellectual property to exJWs who are in need of this "life saving work". Since Lloyd was charging the highest amount Amazon would allow even after clearing $21K in crowdfunding, he was being unreasonable. It was akin to "withholding anti-biotics in the midst of an epidemic".

What happened: Since the information contained within "The Reluctant Apostate" was crucial to saving lives, a PDF that was "not quite a bootleg" was derived from an early Kindle purchase of TRA. Copies of this file were shared and passed amongst those in need so they could take in this "nourishment" that would help them fully wake up from the manipulative power of the WT and/or Lloyd Evans.

So if you are short on funds, didn't bludgeon any seal cubs, and need the spiritual food Lloyd had provided in TRA, feel free to ask round for a copy. The exJW community had graciously compensated the writer to the tune of $21K, plus the royalties he gets from Amazon. So it belongs to the community more than him. It even "transcends" him.

Per the Lloyd Evans Doctrine, TRA exists as a free PDF.

slimboyfat

Since Lloyd was charging the highest amount Amazon would allow even after clearing $21K in crowdfunding, he was being unreasonable.

The price is high for a book of its kind, but I don’t know what Amazon price limit you mean. There certainly are plenty of other paperbacks that cost more on the site. Can you explain?

Yooters

Someone should reprint he PDF into a softcover and have Ray FranZ AI do a forward and sell them at $50 a pop, sounds like a great idea?

Ron.W.

👍👍🤣🤣😉

Simon

Periodic reminder: not everyone who leaves the WTS does so for noble reasons. Many are kicked out because they don't adhere to the basic standards of behavior, as is the case of Lloyd. Some want to make a home for themselves as an apostate even though they didn't really leave for that reason, but it sounds more noble to claim to be some kind of freedom fighter than just another sexual pervert. So people need to be careful. In fact, some of those who are kicked out are precisely the type of grubby little men that first triggered others to question the claims that it was a "spirit directed" organization in the first place, and took part in the sort of behaviors that made them want to flee it.

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

There certainly are plenty of other paperbacks that cost more on the site. Can you explain?

I know I shouldn’t do this, but I am basing this off comments Lloyd had made at the time. His books are print on demand by Amazon, and he said something in his launch about how hard he worked on it and he was owed for all the time spent on it so he had priced it accordingly. You can evidently charge more, but generally people don’t want to spend that much on paperback. $29.99 USD is on the high end for print on demand and he had made a sarcastic comment to that effect when Amazon discounted it for a period of time. Think they bumped $10 off the price as some sort of promotion and he took offence because he wasn’t consulted.

WingCommander

Oh no!

The Great Neck-Bearded Hemorrhoid Evans wasn't consulted!

For shame Amazon, for shame!

TonusOH

Amazon does have price caps on books submitted through their Kindle ePublishing system. The max price is pretty high, actually. But that's obviously different from charging a reasonable price. I assume that Evans either understood that his market was small but dedicated, or he figured that he could release it at a high price and then lower it as time went on. The third option is that he's a self-absorbed narcissist who knows jack-shit about marketing and sales and tried to rip off his audience because that's what he does. Who knows?

I do think that there is a bit of karma in knowing that so many people got the book as a free download. Maybe Deborah Dykstra could have offered bootleg copies of it for a small fee?

slimboyfat

Thanks, yes always bad to take LE’s word for it.

I do have some familiarity with Amazon. What I think LE perhaps meant was that he felt constrained by the incentive structure to price below a certain level. These levels change, but generally Amazon like to get self publishers to price as low as possible and they set their commission structure to reflect this. As I understand it Amazon don’t tell self publishers exactly what they can charge but what they do is make it unattractive to price above certain levels because the cut Amazon takes rises steeply, or you miss certain benefits if you price outside their range. And of course LE wouldn’t like being told or pressured by anyone what to do, especially when it comes to curbing his ability to price gauge his customers. It’s probably the closest he’s come to an employer/employee relationship and he didn’t like it.

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