It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued) (page 213)

TonusOH

Mikejw: I hope he is a better father figure for the girls

That's a pretty low bar to clear, though.

Caminante

mikejw Lloyd still thinks the official doctrine is that only baptised JWs will survive

However, to have a guaranteed hope for salvation, one must still take a stand for Jehovah (i.e. become one of Jehovah's Witnesses). The May 2024 Watchtower makes this clear in study article 19. What has changed is the understanding that individuals can make up their minds even after the great tribulation begins.

Mikejw

to have a guaranteed hope for salvation, one must still take a stand for Jehovah (i.e. become one of Jehovah's Witnesses

This is what Lloyd still thinks. He still said they teach that “to have a guaranteed hope for salvation, one must still take a stand for Jehovah (i.e. become one of Jehovah's Witnesses”

but that is old light, the new light 2023 AGM is that unrighteous ones may survive

the unrighteous don’t need to die before hand as the old doctrine said

Mikejw

Take a sister who has a son brought up in the faith. He leaves and becomes a drug addict living a life of crime and violence to support his habit.

He is now unrighteous. The old light if he died before Armageddon he would survive but if he was alive then he would not survive.

Brother Jackson said “we know some of you were hoping your unrighteous loved ones would die before Armageddon” he said again in whinny voice “we know that’s what some of you were thinking”

but then he said “does that really make sense” as if he is so smart and all of those believing that old light are so stupid.

Does he not realise it was the GB that made millions of people believe something so stupid.

but now he is saying they don’t have to die beforehand. That junky son may survive Armageddon just as if he died beforehand.

they really do not think things through before announcing this new light. They should run it by someone smarter before announcing it to the world

Simon

There are so many people who are getting shunned by JW relatives. By all accounts, the in-laws have been quite lenient towards them per JW rules. They even allowed him to build an apostate studio underneath their living quarters!

Most would be disfellowshipped for this - many aren't allowed to speak to relatives that don't even live with them. So either the WTS cares so little about him that they don't bother to keep track of what he's doing (which I think is most likely) or they like what he was doing and wouldn't want to risk preventing it (a bit far-fetched)

Mikejw

Lloyd needs to redact his mistake saying the new light on who will survive Armageddon is a nothing burger.

I have tried to have conversations about the AGM asking questions about who will survive Armageddon now? They don’t like confronting this question. They really try to avoid it and not think about it.

I force someone to confront it. We used to believe unrighteous had to die beforehand to make it into the new world. But now they are saying this unrighteous one does not have to die before to make it into the new world.
If a JW confronts this new light they can’t fail to have doubts about what the GB is saying, and what they have always said.
I do believe the most profound part of the last AGM was when Br Jackson said “we know some of you were hoping your unrighteous loved ones die before Armageddon!!!!“
but now they are saying the unrighteous don’t have to die before Armageddon to make it into the new world.
This is so profound and huge I would say the largest change in the last century or so. And Lloyd either missed it, didn’t understand it or refuses to understand it. He says it’s a nothing burger.
His best bee in his bonnet was to say that JWs believe that everyone not a JW will be slaughtered at Armageddon. Now this change at the AGM they don’t believe that anymore.

DerekMoors

My theory is that Lloyd didn't have this leaked to him before everyone else in the community and couldn't find someone of importance to interview about it before anyone else. So, since he couldn't twist it to make him look more important than anyone else, he dismissed it. This also gives him a chance to mock and ridicule those who are making a big deal out of it.

It's always all about Lloyd, no matter what. If it can't be used to amplify his platform and stroke his ego, it's unimportant. Plus everyone else is just a child, jumping up and down about things they shouldn't while he's the level-headed adult.

Mikejw

Derek you could be right. He knows he was so late and says I know others have made a big deal out of this. Then he goes on to call it a nothing burger.

In that case what kind of an activist is he? He is playing down what he is supposed to be drawing attention to.

Br Jackson said you don’t have to wish your unrighteous loved ones have to die before Armageddon. The unrighteous may make it into the new world if they die before or are still alive when it starts

And Lloyd calls it a nothing burger and he still said after this that JWs believe everyone not a JW will be slaughtered. He has now proven he doesn’t know what he is talking about.

WingCommander

Too bad Lloyd hasn't only ate nothing-burgers, he might not have all of those chins!

He has more chins than a Chinese phone book.

I think everyone can guess Lloyd's favourite burgers: ASSburgers! He just loves to eat ass!

How do I know? Simple. You are what you eat!

Diogenesister

Simon Most would be disfellowshipped for this - many aren't allowed to speak to relatives that don't even live with them. So either the WTS cares so little about him that they don't bother to keep track

I've been given to understand many non English speaking cultures find shunning particularly distasteful, too. Well it's pretty certain they have no 'privileges' & they may have be able to get around the 'not living together' clause?

But I think the main thing may be the very young death of Dijanas brother. It may be accepted that due to his loss, they cannot live without Dijana as the only child left.

Derek moors My theory is that Lloyd didn't have this leaked to him before everyone else in the community and couldn't find someone of importance to interview about it before anyone else. So, since he couldn't twist it to make him look more important than anyone else, he dismissed it.

Yeah That's usually what he does. He has form with that.

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