What is really Babylon the great?

by Halcon 53 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Halcon
    Halcon
    almost always with unfalsifiable claims involving vague symbolism, conveniently invisible ‘fulfilments’, and remaining failures as ‘still in the future’.

    You're all over the place jeffro, confusing the spiritual with the physical.

    It is 'vague symbolism' to you because you have no faith. As I stated earlier, approach the scriptures correctly, otherwise you will remain confused.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    A tedious and predictable response easily shown to be false. You claim I’m confused, but I provided direct explanations based on the original text reflecting both the religious beliefs of early Christians and their relationship with Rome based on historical fact. It is you who is confused.

  • Halcon
    Halcon

    The scriptures are about God, yet you claim they aren't.

    Yes, you are confused.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro
    because you have no faith

    What you call ‘faith’ is actually just circular reasoning favouring your preferred superstitious interpretation, which is mutually exclusive to other superstitious interpretations that are also arrived at by others based on ‘faith’

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro
    The scriptures are about God, yet you claim they aren't.

    The scriptures are about religious belief, which my comments accurately described.

  • Halcon
    Halcon

    Imagine the faithless telling the faithful what faith is.....

  • joey jojo
    joey jojo

    Everyone wants to believe that the period of time they are living in is special simply because they happen to be alive.

    Revelation has taken care of this need for the last 2000 years, enabling a lot of people to live in fantasy land.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    Imagine the faithful claiming exclusive rights to define faith, while ignoring not only reason but also the contradictory faith of others.

  • Balaamsass2
    Balaamsass2

    A fever dream of an old man on a prison island. No second witness to any of his prophetic dreams. Per Watchtower..never happened.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    "The Catholic Church Nailed Babylon the Great":

    Jerusalem (the Apostate City)

    • She is a “great city” (Rev 17:18).
    • She is "drunk with the blood of the saints and the martyrs of Jesus" (Rev 17:6).
    • She commits fornication with the kings of the earth (Rev 17:2).
    • She is adorned in purple and scarlet and is extremely wealthy (Rev 17:4; 18:11-19).
    • Her fall brings joy to the apostles, prophets, and saints (Rev 18:20).
    • Jesus Himself calls Jerusalem "the city that kills the prophets and stones those sent to her" (Matthew 23:37).Revelation 11:8 says the two witnesses are killed in "the great city that is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified"—clearly referring to Jerusalem.

    Thus, in John's day, Babylon the Great represents apostate Judaism, which allied with the Roman Empire to persecute the early Church and reject the Gospel.

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