What is really Babylon the great?

by Halcon 53 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Halcon
    Halcon
    I've already touched on that. Manasseh practiced a form of Canaanite worship (which included child sacrifice).

    So it was about spirituality after all...

    Perhaps to you worship of one god is no different from worship to another. But according to scriptures it does in fact matter.

    Ancient Babylon clearly did not worship the God that Judah was supposed to worship faithfully either...and God destroyed it too. It is this spiritual opposition to God that prompts all this destruction.

    So the scriptures most certainly place huge emphasis on this pharmakeia.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    Superstition followed by a non sequitur (or a false equivocation if you incorrectly think 'pharmakeia' means 'worship' or 'spiritual opposition') doesn't actually build a case for your position.

  • Halcon
    Halcon
    false equivocation if you incorrectly think 'pharmakeia' means 'worship'

    Hehehe...and how exactly do you think the powers of magic and witchcraft are obtained?

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    Wow 🤦‍♂️

  • Halcon
    Halcon
    Also, although the Babylonians were polytheists, their deities were viewed as more capricious rather than each being definitively 'good' or 'evil', and they didn't practice 'devil worship'

    From Isaiah -

    sit in the dust,

    Virgin Daughter Babylon;

    sit on the ground without a throne,

    queen city of the Babylonians.[a]

    I will take vengeance;

    I will spare no one.”

    7 You said, ‘I am forever—

    the eternal queen!’

    They will come upon you in full measure,

    in spite of your many sorceries

    and all your potent spells.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    O...K...

    If non sequiturs are your goal, you're nailing this.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    His selective (and poorly cited) disjointed quotation of some poetry from Isaiah 47 (part of 'Isaiah' starting at chapter 40 that was actually composed towards the end of the exilic period) is meant to bolster his tenuous connection between 'magic' in ancient Babylon with his tedious claims about 'pharmakeia'. But superstitions about 'magic' were commonplace and not in any way unique to Babylon, nor did they originate there. (He already shot himself in the foot before by alluding to the Canaanite superstitions about magic practiced by Manasseh.) Revelation mentions pharmakeia in passing rather than as a way to identify 'Babylon the Great'. It's primary meaning is the administration of drugs or poisons, and its use as a metaphor in the NT period is well attested.

    This is getting boring. Magic isn't real. Separate to illusion (sleight of hand etc), belief in 'magic' is rooted in superstition, historically (and in the case of some like Halcon, still) used as a way to control the ignorant through fear.

  • andr
    andr
    io la penso cosi: l italia é il luogo dove si aveva il centro dell impero romano o l italia o la turchia con constantinopoli ma l italia sembra la piu ideale l america non vuole partrire dal dominio mondiale essendo il dragone con le corna d agnello ridà la forza alla vecchia testa il regno di roma e l italia attacchérà la chiesa cattolica diventando lo stato con piu oro del mondo e mettendo a disposizione una nuova moneta per tutti nel mondo sostituendo il dollaro semplice e senza tanti casini
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    I think so: Italy is the place where the center of the Roman Empire was or Italy or Turkey with Constantinople but Italy seems the most ideal America does not want to leave world domination being the dragon with the horns of a lamb gives strength back to the old head the kingdom of Rome and Italy will attack the Catholic Church becoming the state with the most gold in the world and making a new currency available to everyone in the world replacing the dollar simple and without much fuss
  • andr
    andr
    io la penso cosi: l italia é il luogo dove si aveva il centro dell impero romano o l italia o la turchia con constantinopoli ma l italia sembra la piu ideale l america non vuole partrire dal dominio mondiale essendo il dragone con le corna d agnello ridà la forza alla vecchia testa il regno di roma e l italia attacchérà la chiesa cattolica diventando lo stato con piu oro del mondo e mettendo a disposizione una nuova moneta per tutti nel mondo sostituendo il dollaro semplice e senza tanti casini
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    507 / 5 000

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    I think so: Italy is the place where the center of the Roman Empire was or Italy or Turkey with Constantinople but Italy seems the most ideal America does not want to leave world domination being the dragon with the horns of a lamb gives strength back to the old head the kingdom of Rome and Italy will attack the Catholic Church becoming the state with the most gold in the world and making a new currency available to everyone in the world replacing the dollar simple and without much fuss
  • andr
    andr

    I think so:

    Italy is the place where the center of the Roman Empire was or Italy or Turkey with Constantinople

    but Italy seems the most ideal

    America does not want to leave world domination being the dragon with the horns of a lamb gives strength back to the old head

    the kingdom of Rome and Italy will attack the Catholic Church

    becoming the state with the most gold in the world and making a new currency available to everyone in the world

    replacing the dollar

    simple and without much fuss

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