John 20: 28 in the NWT Calls Jesus God

by Sea Breeze 41 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Halcon
    Halcon

    Aqwsed, again I truly appreciate your posts especially the kind like the last one where you move away from the 'technicalities' per se and relate your understanding to the practical part of faith.

    To encounter this Jesus is to be drawn, even if imperfectly, into the mystery of God as He truly is: not a solitary being, but the eternal communion of love, which the names “Father,” “Son,” and “Spirit” try to express.

    This embracing of the concept of the eternal communion of love (completely spiritual concept) by definition (meaning spiritual) allows each soul to interpret it as best they can according to their own comprehension. Even amongst Trinitarians there seems to be differences in explanations. Why? Because as you stated, it's not a puzzle to decipher. How does one define love, a purely spiritual concept? There are seemingly endless ways to define it. All can be categorized as correct.

    As St. John says, “this is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent” (John 17:3). If Christ is not truly God, then the Christian hope would be in vain.

    I disagree here. As I asked Seabreeze, how does not calling Jesus God negate everything he did for mankind? There is only one Son of God after all. Any soul that has faith, which itself as you said is already a heavenly gift, that Jesus died for our sins automatically elevates the Son. Calling him the Son and only the Son is not diminishing him in any way from a human perspective.

    What it teaches is that God, in Christ and through the Spirit, reveals Himself as Triune, and invites us to accept His self-revelation with humble faith, trusting that He knows the weakness and limitation of every heart. The measure is not perfect comprehension, but loving trust and the willingness to receive the God who comes to meet us—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—who desires to share His own life with us forever.

    I do indeed understand this a bit better and also indeed feel a stronger bond of love with God as a result. And you are correct, as the Catholic faith asserts, it is difficult to explain why this is.

  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345
    @Halcon

    Thank you for your thoughtful and gracious response. I deeply appreciate your willingness to engage not only the “technicalities” of theology, but the heart of Christian faith—the lived, loving encounter with the God who reveals Himself. Your point about the diversity of attempts to describe the Trinity among believers is both honest and, I think, instructive. Indeed, human language, even at its best, can never exhaust the mystery of God; the most profound truths of faith inevitably draw us beyond our concepts and images, inviting us into a humility that is itself an act of worship.

    Yet, within this humility, we hold that God’s revelation is not self-contradictory or left so utterly open that “all explanations are equally correct.” The very reason the Church has, across the centuries, carefully defined the doctrine of the Trinity is precisely because some explanations, though well-intentioned, subtly undermine the reality of God’s self-gift in Christ. This is not about “solving” a metaphysical puzzle, but about remaining faithful to what God has done and said in Christ and the Spirit.

    You are quite right: love, as a spiritual reality, eludes strict definition. And yet, in revelation, love is not left for us to invent or define by our own standards; God has shown us what love is by giving Himself in the Son and the Spirit. To encounter the Son is to encounter the very heart of the Father, not a lesser emissary or exalted creature, but the one who is “of one being with the Father” (as the Nicene Creed confesses). Here the Church’s confession is not meant to restrict the soul’s encounter with God, but to safeguard the fullness of what God has freely revealed: that the love poured out in Jesus is nothing less than the love of God Himself, not an intermediate being. To say otherwise, as the early Church realized, is not only to risk misunderstanding Christ, but to risk losing the full consolation and power of God’s self-giving love.

    On John 17:3 and the divinity of Christ: you ask, with great sincerity, why calling Jesus “only the Son” (in a non-divine sense) should “negate everything he did for mankind.” From the human perspective, as you note, even the title “Son of God” sounds exalted; but the Church’s concern, rooted in the New Testament and the earliest Christian experience, is that only God Himself could redeem humanity, overcome sin and death, and restore us to communion with Himself. No matter how exalted, a creature—no matter how unique—cannot bridge the infinite gap between Creator and creation. The incarnation is not just God sending a special messenger, but God Himself entering our history to heal us from within. To say that Christ is truly God is to affirm that salvation is not a work from afar, but the intimate self-giving of the divine life to humanity—a union which alone can deify us, as the Fathers loved to say (“God became man so that man might become God,” as Athanasius taught).

    This is why the question is not about abstract metaphysics, but about the very substance of hope: are we united to God Himself, or only to an exalted creature? Is the love poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit the love of the Creator, or merely of a mediator? The early Church insisted on Christ’s deity not out of philosophical rigidity, but out of fidelity to the living experience of redemption and communion. Anything less was found, in the end, to be an impoverished gospel—a “different Jesus,” not by human judgment, but by the logic of revelation itself.

    Of course, as you wisely observe, no human being can fully understand or define God. The Trinity remains, as Augustine said, “the supreme mystery of the Christian religion,” and Paul himself reminds us that “now we see in a mirror, dimly” (1 Cor 13:12). The Church does not demand perfect comprehension, nor does it claim to possess it; rather, it calls us to accept, in humble faith, the truth God has shown us—even as we know that our grasp is partial and our words always inadequate. The unity of faith is not uniformity of human explanation, but a shared assent to the revealed mystery, protected against those distortions which would finally cut us off from the fullness of God’s love.

    In the end, the doctrine of the Trinity is not a barrier to God, but His gracious invitation to share in the life and love that He is. Even as we stumble for words, even as Christians sometimes differ in their ability to articulate the mystery, what matters is our openness to receive what God gives: the very life of the Father, through the Son, in the Holy Spirit. The Church’s teaching aims not to limit our approach to God, but to ensure that, in seeking Him, we do not settle for anything less than the fullness of the divine self-gift offered in Christ.

    I am grateful for your openness, your humility, and your evident desire for truth and love. May that desire always draw us deeper into the mystery, not only in thought, but in the lived reality of faith, hope, and love, until at last we know even as we are known.

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