do you think national pride is a good thing?
Oh, course. It is quite natural and healthy to take pride in your culture and independence.
Blind cultlike nationalism is dangerous as it translates into bigotry or dehumanizing of others.
England v Ukraine
by BoogerMan 62 Replies latest social current
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peacefulpete
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peacefulpete
Let Russia have the Russian land with the Russian people on it, the pretend borders created by the west just have to be put back to what they were.
The 100 year old Ukrainian I knew might have punched you in the face for saying that.
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LoveUniHateExams
@Simon
What you said may seem harsh to some gullible liberal folk but there's some truth in it.
First, Crimea has lots of Russian speakers, plenty of whom are aligned with Moscow. That's just a fact.
Second, there are plenty of Russian-speaking people in Donbas who are also aligned with Moscow.
Third, Russia never lost a war in 1991 but was treated by The West as if it had lost one. This is perhaps the worst thing of all that The West has done in this situation. Moscow has every right to be alarmed as NATO spreads east, with the US putting nuclear weapons in far-off places such as Estonia and Romania.
As Putin has asked: who or what is NATO aiming at?!
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BoogerMan
People who haven't seen it, should view the movie, "Official Secrets." (with Keira Knightley)
It may change their finger-pointing at Mr. Putin to include other parties.
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LoveUniHateExams
@peacefulpete: do you think national pride is a good thing? - oh, course.
Yeah, right. 🙄
I know how it plays out with people like you ...
Palestine for the Palestinians - yayyy!
Ireland for the Irish - yayyy!
Ukraine for the Ukrainians - yayyy!
England for the English - don't be racist!
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peacefulpete
England for the Germans.
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LoveUniHateExams
@peacefulpete
Your flippant comment has proved me right.
You, and people who think like you, just cannot say 'England for the English'.
Black majority rule in South Africa - wonderful.
Palestine for Palestinians - great.
Chago Island for the Chago Islanders - marvellous.
But not 'England for the English'. Very, very strange.
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BoogerMan
@ markweatherill - according to the BBC, more than 5000 Ukrainians obtained tickets to attend the match.
Looking at TV footage, that figure appeared to be an underestimate.
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Rivergang
There would hardly have been a war yet from which some dirty *$%# wasn't making money out of - with neutral countries being amongst the worst offenders. (e.g. WWII, in which both sides used the Swiss-made 20mm Oerlikon cannon, and also the Swedish-made 40mm Bofors gun. Both those countries were officially "neutral" in that conflict).
It is a sad fact that once a country's economy reaches a certain level of industrial development, it can only then be sustained by the production of armaments. This is hardly rocket science - I recall learning that during Grade Nine history.
Some examples include:
1) The way in which the world's economy was only lifted out of the Great Depression of the 1930s by the outbreak of WWII (with America's economy being in a particularly bad way during the month's leading up to Pearl Harbor).
2) Australia's economy being transformed from an agricultural one into an industrial one by the Korean War (1950-1953). This saw the price of the country's main export - wool - skyrocket almost overnight, thus laying the basis for removal of its reliance on that same product. (Other major wool producing countries, such as New Zealand, also greatly benefited from the Korean War).
What was that they said about "The more things change, the more they stay the same"?
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peacefulpete
There are just too many conflicting comments to respond to. Some said let Russia seize Ukraine because is has Russian speaking people living there. Despite most all English speaking posters here came from nations that declared independence from England and are proud of the democratic freedom of expression that resulted.
Btw, we protested the entering the war against Iraq. Risked our jobs doing it. Didn't stop those determined to do it, but our consciences are clear.