Are the statistics out yet?

by slimboyfat 169 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • ThomasMore
    ThomasMore

    Hellothere, I think you nailed it.

    WTC (the GB) will engage in the most impressive plate-spinning imaginable to convince their worshippers that they are increasing. Like election recounts that seem to go on and on and on, they will not announce until they can find a way to coat the ugly facts with glitter and shine.

    So what are the facts? Just look at what they are doing:

    • Begging for money contstantly - they are broke
    • Asking for donations for Ramapo - why do that if they have lots of money
    • Cajoling the R&F to get back to meetings in person - few want to attend
    • Telling the R&F to get off Zoom - meanwhile making vaccinations mandatory for schools
    • Lowering hours again to secure a title of RP or Aux P - they once said the hour requirements came directly from God
    • Getting sanctioned by countries for shunning and DFing - denying it, then saying they do but it is beacuse they just LOVE PEOPLE SO DARN MUCH!
    • Selling KHs to cover the CSA lawsuits - recently announcing that thousands of new KHs are needed

    This corporation is crumbling and all the evidence is there for everyone to see. If things were going well, that annual report would be blasted out as obnoxiously as possible making Donald Trump look humble in comparison.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    There’s still no sign of the report on the website. It’s getting pretty late for the release. Yet the release must be coming sometime before February for it to appear in the meeting schedule in February.

    Is there a growing reluctance to release the report among the GB? Might this be the last one we get? It is somewhat surprising that they didn’t feature highlights of the report in the annual meeting, as they usually do. I haven’t watched the annual meeting so can’t say for sure they didn’t, but I haven’t heard any mention of selected statistics from the meetings as there usually is.

    Jeffro I’m still a bit baffled by what your beef is. All I have claimed on this thread is that JWs are still growing while most churches are declining. The data bear this out. I didn’t say that was good, bad or I different. It’s just a fact.

    Personally I would be surprised if the report shows greater than 2% growth. My guess would be between 1 and 2%. This is poor compared with their growth in the past, but is “impressive” compared with most other churches. I am familiar with a number of churches locally: Mormon, Church of Scotland, Catholic, Unitarian, Methodist, Christadelphian, Swedenborgian, New Apostolic Church, Quaker, Brethren, Christian Science, Seventh-day Adventist, Baptist, Grace International (successor to Armstrong’s Worldwide Church of God) and more. Every single church I am familiar with has declined significantly during the pandemic. The only exceptions are the Seventh-day Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses who have each grown slightly. In fact some churches have closed down altogether during the pandemic. I know of four Church of Scotland churches that have combined, a Christadelphian ecclesia that has closed, and one Unitarian church that will very likely close in the next few months. I lost contact with the Swedenborgians but I think their church closed too. The local Mormon church, which once had a congregation of around a hundred in the 1990s, has now been downgraded to a branch with fewer than 20 people at their services. Methodist churches are closing all the time and I haven’t been in contact with them for a few years. The last Methodist church I visited had 8 people in attendance which they said was their usual attendance. I think it must have closed. The New Apostolic Church and Christian Science were both down to around 15 or so before the pandemic.

    I will be interested if the number of JW congregations worldwide falls this year. I would argue that the number of congregations is one of the best indicators of overall growth of any religious group.

    I’d be curious to know what the attendance was for third memorial over Zoom in 2022 and then compare that with the 2023 figure, back in the Kingdom Hall, this year.

    I wonder if there will be a bounce back in baptisms too after a decline during the pandemic years.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    slimboyfat:

    All I have claimed on this thread is that JWs are still growing while most churches are declining. The data bear this out. I didn’t say that was good, bad or I different. It’s just a fact.

    To the extent that it is true, it is mundane and unimpressive when the reasons are considered. (Though in the two examples considered, they are not even keeping up with population growth.)

    About 476,000 people left South Korea in 2021 but only 19 people left North Korea in the first half of 2022. So impressive that North Korea is doing better than South Korea. 😂

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    slimboyfat:

    Personally I would be surprised if the report shows greater than 2% growth. My guess would be between 1 and 2%.

    It will likely be reported as higher than 2% because they’re still catching up with ‘publishers’ from the decrease in 2020. Lower than 2% would represent particularly poor growth/retention since 2019.

  • Hellothere
    Hellothere
    In reality watchtower should have been doing great under Covid. All this last days cults do great when there's a great tragedy in the world. That's when they pump up end of days scenarios and former members come back to the group. Could it be situation for former members is the same that many on zoomr have this day's. That they don't care what GB watchtower tells them? Complicated for watchtower if the fearmongering tactics are not working anymore.
  • dropoffyourkeylee
    dropoffyourkeylee

    BINGO

    The statistics have been posted.

    go to

    https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/

    and enter

    Service Year

  • cofty
    cofty

    Worldwide = 0.4%

    USA = -1%

  • Slidin Fast
    Slidin Fast

    Cofty, welcome back. We've (I've) missed you.

  • Slidin Fast
    Slidin Fast

    In a world ripe for the plucking in terms of religious scaremongering this is an abysmal report. Depite all the last minute massaging the figures are dismal.

    Memorial attendance down 1.5 Million. Bible studies down 300.000.

    After just a quick look, I would say that if it was a commercial company the shares would be tanking.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Wow those are bad numbers. No wonder there weren't any preview highlights.

    Baptisms down, Memorial attendance down, Bible studies down, and number of congregations down.

    The worst baptism figure for decades.

    Memorial partakers up.

    Latin America and the Caribbean seem to have the worst numbers for some reason. Publishers in Mexico down -1%, and Argentina and Colombia down -2%.

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