by AGuest 145 Replies latest watchtower bible
I will just committ my self to an insane asylum if I hear voices.
Ken.....LMAO !
Don't forget those damn hearing aids can pick up radio signals and you might simply be hearing some screaming rocker on the radio and thinking Satan was after your butt!
Gumby
I must say that if you had "some experience"... in churches... then you and I are not talking about the same thing. Just so's we're on the same "page", dear one.
What makes in church experiences different from yours?
Again, I don't think we are talking about the same thing. I think YOU are talking about "episodes" where people BELIEVE they've received some "divine"... thing... from GOD... because of what their minds and bodies go through. However, such a manifestation doesn't prove a thing. People possessed with demons experience the same things.
Ah yes of course, i must be speaking of demonism, mustn't i?
It is the SPIRIT that experiences the things of God. And things that effect the body and the mind... have no affect... on the spirit. Are we still on the same page?
Strawman attack. I never denied that.
Shamanism has been studied quite well. It's understood fairly well by those who have investigated it, yet, it still works.
I don't doubt the truth of what you state here. Question is... "works"... for what... and for whom... and by MEANS of whom?
Well, of course we all know by whose means you are thinking that shamanism works.
And I do not judge you.
Really?
I spoke by means of spirit that I received from my Lord. Apparently, YOU... disputed that.
Strawman arguement.
By that, then, YOU... judged me... as well as the SOURCE of what I spoke, also claiming that YOU know how to stop it.
Strawman. That's your logic, not mine.
how you jump from one side to another and then accuse me of it.
Strawman.
if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance... baffle 'em with bullsh*t. And that's exactly what you're attempting to do here.
No judgementalism there, eh?
SS
I don't get as ticked at you Shelby, as I do the book you get this from.
But neither are worth the energy you expend getting "ticked", dear Gumby... and as always, peace to you!
You can blasphame the son who is life, but you better not blasphame the spirit. I thought the two went hand in hand?
Matthew 12:31, 32; Mark 3:29; Luke 12:10
BTW....I was kidding about the rum and peyote as I'm sure you know.
Of course. But "inquiring minds" wanna know... so, I gotta tell 'em...
Basically as you have been told before.....people get upset that you seem to get told things by christ your lord yet all the others here do not make that claim.
When have "all" EVER made that claim? Has it not only been a few, a "remnant", when it has be professed?
They feel like the lord is partial in that he tells you things and not others.
Yes, even Peter took that "trip" once. And was told where to get off... John 21:21, 22
Why only you?
Oh, goodness, dear Gumby! First, it is NOT "only" me! I am just one of the most "vocal" is all. And that's only because I'm either very brave... or very stupid. No, seriously, my vocalness (or should I say, "typing-finger-ness") is because... I am indebted. It is the only thing I can DO... other than "fast" in the manner of Isaiah 58:6, 7... to show him that I love him for what HE... has done... and yet does... for ME. He has forgiven me many things, dear one, many things... and yet forgives me many more still. He provides for me, cares for me... and loves me. Greatly. What in the WORLD can I do for him? Nothing, other than to let others know that he IS alive... and speaks... by sharing WHAT he speaks to me. And so, you have it wrong, dear Gumby. I am not a "glorified" one... but a SLAVE. Do you understand this? True, I find great joy in my... "yoke"... it is indeed refreshing. But you... and many others... have it quite backwards: Luke 8:41-43; Acts 9:4, 16 Thus, if there's anything of "note" about me, it is that I know how great my debt was... how much love it took him to forgive it... and that I LISTEN... when he speaks... and I obey. To the best of my ability. He tells me to speak... I speak. Hebrews 12:25 And please know that he speaks... to ALL, dear one, including you. The question is... whether or not WE hear... and when we DO... do we put FAITH in "the thing heard" and LISTEN? Matthew 17:5
Is there scriptural proof that he does this sort of thing?
Yes. Acts 2:17, 18... and others...
Refrences?
Well, I would think that HE would be the best reference, wouldn't you? And you can always ask him. Of course, you would have to put faith in what you "hear"...
If so....please explain WHY only some.......or rather with this forum.....only you are special in this way.
Obviously, you haven't read ALL the threads on this forum. Others claim the same "gift". Now, whether they word things such as I am directed to is another story. But you'd have to ask them about that...
Don't get mad at me shelbmeister
Oh, my dear one... mad over what? You are asking honest, legitimate questions... to which you have a right to expect a response. You are not trying to trip me up with deceitful traps, are you? What kind of servant, then, would I be if I were to get mad over such a thing?
or I'll call for backup
I bet you would!
(I just know we've been through this before )
And may go through it yet again. So long as you are "seeking" dear one, I have no reason to "close the door" of my tender compassions on you. If I would give you physical food, how much more should I share with you the provisions given me by my Lord? The greatest of love and peace to you, dear Gumby. Truly. YOUR servant and a slave of Christ, SJ
If you steal... and I call you a "thief"... am I judging you? Or am I simply speaking the truth, calling you what you are?
Yet, if you steal... and I condemn you as being worthy of death... am I not then judging you?
If you commit murder... and I call you a "murderer"... and I judging you? Or am I simply speaking the truth, calling you what you are?
Yet, if you commit murder... and I condemn you... as being worthy of prison or death... am I not then judging you?
If you B.S. folks... and I call you a B.S.'r... am I judging you? Or am I simply speaking the truth, calling you what you are?
Yet, if you B.S. folks... and I condemn you... as being worthy of prison or death... am I not judging you?
You rely on the interpretation of words by earthling man. Read... and hear... and get the sense of it, dear Saint.
And, as always, peace to you!
A slave of Christ,
SJ, who used no "strawmen"... and you know it. But... that's that old B.S. for 'ya...
I think this demonstrates how religion doesn't like science messing around on it's turf. It's easy to see how the catholic church eventually crushed all scientific questing and sent europe into a dark age. It wouldn't be secret, much less sacred, would it?
SS
I think this demonstrates how religion doesn't like science messing around on it's turf. It's easy to see how the catholic church eventually crushed all scientific questing and sent europe into a dark age. It wouldn't be secret, much less sacred, would it?
Er!?
Ohhhhhh... yeah. ... (Talk about your "strawman" arguments. Your "argument" is B.S., Saint. And changing to the utterly irrelevant and totally unrelated subject of the differences between religion and science... at least, at this time... won't make it any better. But then, you know that, too, with your B.S'n self, don't 'cha?) Peace. A slave of Christ, SJ
I'll explain it for you. You said earthling man, w his drugs, couldn't possibly interfere w your receptions. You claimed that what has been learned about people hearing voices doesn't apply to you, or your voices. You called all the literature i was referring on this subject bullshit. The connection is that w people like you in powerful positions in society, it's a small step to outlawing scientific inquiry into your deities, or things related to them.
SS
I'll explain it for you.Or... perhaps I'll explain it to you. We'll see...
You said earthling man, w his drugs, couldn't possibly interfere w your receptions.
I did. But that was not the subject of this discussion, was it?
You claimed that what has been learned about people hearing voices doesn't apply to you, or your voices.
I did. It doesn’t. But apparently it applies to those YOU referred to, those in whom “this type of activity can be stimulated w/electrodes and current applied in the appropriate places”, those in whom “it can be started in… through guided/focused meditation and ‘the proper attitude’”… those who “naturally have it, or get it because of some traumatic event”… those who are “overwhelmed w/it, and are labeled schizophrenic”. According to YOU, in such people “it can be stopped w/drugs.” I, however, explained to you that I am not one of those people… and then explained to you how I received it. And YOU are the one who has a problem with HOW this is.
YOU explained what you believe you DO know and understand, that which is above. In turn, I stated that YOU cannot explain what YOU do not know and understand, the things I know and understand.
You called all the literature i was referring on this subject bullshit.
First, when I mentioned B.S., it wasn't the literature you were referring to, but the rhetoric you were spouting in order to change the subject from your factual ridicule of me... to your perceived judgment of you by me. Second,
if I were to say to you that MY source is the Bible, you would immediately attempt to dispute IT’S accuracy? But I did NOT assert such a thing. I did not refer to a book, but to my own personal experience… just as you referred to yours. To which I responded that we evidently were NOT talking about the same thing.The connection is that w people like you in powerful positions in society, it's a small step to outlawing scientific inquiry into your deities, or things related to them.
ROFL… Well, then Saint, ‘Sugah, you got NOTHING to worry about: I ain’t powerful, I ain’t in no position(s) in society (God forbid, why would I want to be?)… and… those IN powerful positions in society… ain’t like me. Actually, I think THEY… are more like YOU: those who ridicule and try to explain away (or commit… or kill)… people like me.
Are we on the same page NOW? I still think not…
But as always, peace to you!
A slave of Christ,
SJ
Peace to all, those in doubt ask yourself what is the real truth? Most people I believe do know internally that God exists. Those who deny it the loudess maybe are those who know it the most ehhhh? Those who believe that Christ is the Son Of God do the things that the Son Of God tells just like if you believed your parents when they told you to look both ways before you cross the street and later you did that. You can't say you believe your parents and then crossed the street without looking and got hit by a truck. Now if God does indeed exists then wouldn't you listen to his voice if you believed it was so?
Faith, where is your faith? People get on a plane and cross the ocean, they believe they would make it and they do show their faith by getting on board, some will not even think about if the plane will make it or not. Now if you say you have faith in the plane making it across the ocean but yet do everything you can to not go aboard then how can you say you have faith in the plane? Your faith is more in line that the plane won't make it or you will die on it by the actions you are taking. So where is your faith?
So where is your faith if you say with your lips I've been praying for the Holy Spirit but it never answers, and yet say with your same lips that if you heard the Holy Spirit you would commit yourself to a hospital? One has to be willing to listen with open ears wouldn't you say? Your true faith is shown either way.
