I said it once, I'll say it again.... to this thread...
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Jesus was gay - says academic
by ISP 172 Replies latest watchtower bible
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logansrun
I just wanted to distance my stance from the assanine comments of demar. Jesus existed, but that does not in any way prove the Christian faith. Your homophobic, sexist comments are despicable.
Bradley
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ISP
100-200 Odes of Solomon 101-220 Book of Elchasai 105-115 Ignatius of Antioch 110-140 Polycarp to the Philippians 110-140 Papias 110-160 Oxyrhynchus 840 Gospel 110-160 Traditions of Matthias 111-112 Pliny the Younger 115 Suetonius 115 Tacitus 120-130 Quadratus of Athens 120-130 Apology of Aristides 120-140 Basilides 120-140 Naassene Fragment 120-160 Valentinus 120-180 Apocryphon of John 120-180 Gospel of Mary 120-180 Dialogue of the Savior 120-180 Gospel of the Savior 120-180 2nd Apocalypse of James 120-180 Trimorphic Protennoia 130-140 Marcion 130-150 Aristo of Pella 130-160 Epiphanes On Righteousness 130-160 Ophite Diagrams 130-160 2 Clement 130-170 Gospel of Judas 130-200 Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus 140-150 Epistula Apostolorum 140-160 Ptolemy 140-160 Isidore 140-170 Fronto 140-170 Infancy Gospel of James 140-170 Infancy Gospel of Thomas 140-180 Gospel of Truth 150-160 Martyrdom of Polycarp 150-160 Justin Martyr 150-180 Excerpts of Theodotus 150-180 Heracleon 150-200 Ascension of Isaiah 150-200 Acts of Peter 150-200 Acts of John 150-200 Acts of Paul 150-200 Acts of Andrew 150-225 Acts of Peter and the Twelve 150-225 Book of Thomas the Contender 150-250 Fifth and Sixth Books of Esra 150-300 Authoritative Teaching 150-300 Coptic Apocalypse of Paul 150-300 Discourse on the Eighth and Ninth 150-300 Melchizedek 150-400 Acts of Pilate 150-400 Anti-Marcionite Prologues 160-170 Tatian's Address to the Greeks 160-180 Claudius Apollinaris 160-180 Apelles 160-180 Julius Cassianus 160-250 Octavius of Minucius Felix 161-180 Acts of Carpus 165-175 Melito of Sardis 165-175 Hegesippus 165-175 Dionysius of Corinth 165-175 Lucian of Samosata 167 Marcus Aurelius 170-175 Diatessaron 170-200 Dura-Europos Gospel Harmony 170-200 Muratorian Canon 170-200 Treatise on the Resurrection 170-220 Letter of Peter to Philip 175-180 Athenagoras of Athens 175-185 Irenaeus of Lyons 175-185 Rhodon 175-185 Theophilus of Caesarea 175-190 Galen 178 Celsus 178 Letter from Vienna and Lyons 180 Passion of the Scillitan Martyrs 180-185 Theophilus of Antioch 180-185 Acts of Apollonius 180-220 Bardesanes 180-220 Kerygmata Petrou 180-230 Hippolytus of Rome 180-250 1st Apocalypse of James 180-250 Gospel of Philip 182-202 Clement of Alexandria 185-195 Maximus of Jerusalem 185-195 Polycrates of Ephesus 188-217 Talmud 189-199 Victor I 190-210 Pantaenus 193 Anonymous Anti-Montanist 193-216 Inscription of Abercius 197-220 Tertullian 200-210 Serapion of Antioch 200-210 Apollonius 200-220 Caius 200-220 Philostratus 200-225 Acts of Thomas 200-250 Didascalia 200-250 Books of Jeu 200-300 Pistis Sophia 200-300 Coptic Apocalypse of Peter 203 Acts of Perpetua and Felicitas 203-250 Origen -
ISP
Logans, consider why Paul never quoted any of JC's illustrations,parables or miracles. Can you imagine being a Christian like Paul having to teach others and settle differences with congregations and not mention such things. In 1 Cor.15 he argues about the ressurrection......some didn't believe, he argues all sorts of things.....but fancy not mentioning Lazarus!
Above is the record of early christian writings. The gospel accounts and Acts were 2nd century creations. I have no axe to grind but I see no reliable evidence that the things attributed to Jesus were anything but a fiction and an attempt to put 'flesh on the bones' of a fictional character.
No disrespect but you could do with doing some more research on this. You will find it interesting.
ISP
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Kenneson
Isp,
Gospel of Mark dated between 65 and 80. First century.
Gospel of Matthew dated between 80 and 100. End of first century.
Gospel of Luke dated between 80-130. End of first century or beginning of 2nd century.
Acts of the Apostles dated between 80-130. End of first century or beginning of 2nd century.
Gospel of John dated betwen 90 and 120. End of first century or beginning of 2nd century.
Matthew and Mark both fall within the first century by reckoning of all scholars. And the latter three could have as well, depending on which scholars you agree with.
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FreeofGuilt
THEY MAKE HIM LOOK GAY~~ kristine
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RAYZORBLADE
$51,000 could have been better spent.
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ashitaka
Only a person who has rejected the truth of the word of God would come to such a bonehead conclusion.
Demar=Dickweed
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Tyler
I don't know any references, but I'm sure that Homosexuality was common in ancient Greece and Rome. I don't know where I heard that though. (Oh come to think of it, it might have been a Watchtower of Awake!)
Next they'll say he was a transvestite!
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peacefulpete
logan...I much respect your opinion about a historical Jesus, however it is likely that your views have been shaped by only one perspective. I spoke with Callahan about his assertion in his new book that Jesus was in his opinion an historical person, his reasons were not those sited here. For him he admits it is only a hunch based upon what he sees as othrwise difficult to explain details such as the Jesus being from Nazareth. I and others more qualified do not see these elements as evidence as he does. The Nazareth topic was dicussed here recently and I explained why there is no necessity to see this detail as anything but another fiction created to create the illusion of fullfilled prophecy.
The documentary evidence of a historical Jesus dispite claims otherwise is nonexistant or suspect at best as in the case of Josephus.
Arguements about the necessity of a historical founder for a new cult is often repeated but uninformed. The very cults competing with Christianity such as Mithraism and cults of Dionysus all were popular and powerful dispite lacking any historical core. It is deduced by many that the historizing of the Jesus story likely was the work of later penmen. The date of writing for the Gospels offered does not suggest the books were in their present form at that time. There is abundant evidence textural and manuscript that extensive rewritng was done under Catholic oversight up until the late 3rd century or later.
By the way, no, the Buddha was not, to all available evidence, a historical person either.
Whether at least one early christian writer depicted Jesus as a man like most of his day, engaging in male/male intimacy seems likely from the secret gospel of Mark.
The astrology bunk is not worth refuting.
With respect..pp