by plmkrzy 47 Replies latest watchtower bible
That is pretty powerful when put in that perspective. It "humanizes" what he must have gone through rather then just an image of "Christ" quietly dieing as per prophecy. His death has to be the most commercialized in history.
I don't know if I believe he actually said those words though.
Thanks for that response, it was a good one.
Jesus spent close to 20 years convincing people he was the savior and the Son of God.
He did such a good job of it that 2,000 years later a large portion of the world still believes it.
Actually he only spent a bit over three years in his ministry....after he was baptised. Before that, mention of him was made at the temple when he ditched his parents and he never...at that point claimed to be the savior.
He didn't do the good job you gave him credit for either.......the church did..... about the 3rd century when the church stomped out the common religious preference at that time....mithrisism.
Check it out in history books.....it's all there.
The Christians were small in number through the first couple of centuries after Jesus and when constantine showed up in the 4th century.......christianity then prevailed.
The ONLY reason christianity prevailed was politics, and oh ya, scaring the shit out of and torturing people untill they believed.
Gumby
scaring the shit out of and torturing people untill they believed.
Oh - so the 'dubs really WERE around way back then?!
Check it out in history books.....it's all there.
You are right about the history books. There is a lot to read, it would take a lifetime to cover all of it. I have read quite a lot. Doubt I will read everything there is to be read.
However, Jesus was the only one who successfully accomplished the title of "Savior" in the magnitude that he did.
It spans many religions. Those that refute him are as passionate about it as those who believe in him. That is also unique.
However, Jesus was the only one who successfully accomplished the title of "Savior" in the magnitude that he did. It spans many religions. Those that refute him are as passionate about it as those who believe in him. That is also unique.
Many others had the title as savior. Because the "magnitude Jesus had in no way makes him ....the one.
Those that refute him to so for reasons other than the reasons christians use to prove him true. Chrisianity condems all to die who do not believe.......not so with those opposed to chrisianity. That's why non-christians are "passionate" about it.
Gumby
Many others had the title as savior. Because the "magnitude Jesus had in no way makes him ....the one.
I didn't say that it did. I said it made him "unique" because all the others cannot even come close in comparison. Either way, or I should say either side.
I didn't say that it did
Yes you did, yes you did!!!!!!!!!!!
Just playin with ya......you know your my bud.
BTW.....hows my "two" buddies
Gumby
This is a puzzling statement by Jesus, Psalm 22 notwithstanding.
Sometimes a jw friend of mine and I discuss Jesus' last hours, and we're not sure what to think, but he doesn't buy into the usual jw mindset on this - he feels that Jesus may indeed have 'weakened' a bit.
Perhaps the "me" was forsaken because it is but a lie. What if all that is True is That, which we have come to call God? What if the Source/God/Truth is not the tiny little object that we have created with the mind? What if there IS but the One Consciousness: I Am, from which all phenomena arises and flows back to? Then, would not the belief in fragmented and individual identities (the tiny "me"), be but an illusion? not true? a lie? If so, then it would make perfect sense that the "me" (the lie) must be forsaken that the Truth be realized; and Jesus' statement then would be an actual prerequisite to true realized Oneness with what he called Father. It is said that we will know God, when there is no "we" or "me" to know God. In other words: it is the belief that we are a separate-entity from the Infinity of God, that blinds and numbs perception to God. Be still and know... JamesT
