JamesT
What if there IS but the One Consciousness: I Am, from which all phenomena arises and flows back to? Then, would not the belief in fragmented and individual identities (the tiny "me"), be but an illusion? not true? a lie?
I’m dyslexic so anything remotely close to quantum physics ties my brain in a not. Grasping “energy” and “oneness” is easy, but what are thoughts made of? If individual identities = an illusion then how could we possibly have this conversation and it not be an illusion? How does one measure a thought?
SJ
... here is the problem with what is written that is NOT inspired GREEK langauge did not contain any words that ACCURATELY translated what my Lord said IN ARAMAIC! The word "forsaken" was the ONLY word the translators could come up with in THAT language to describe the Aramaic word "sabathani". He knew only that the SPIRIT of my Father had been removed... and asked why? Why did he ask it? Because... under ALL other circumstances, excluding Job... the removal of God's spirit... denotes His DISPLEASURE with one. My Lord, then, could not understand what he had DONE...
That makes a lot of sense. It seems so simple after reading it from that view point. So his words were not “what have you done to me” but rather “what have I done to offend you”
are you aware that faith is atleast dependent on these beliefs , based on what you've posted? In other words, do you think faith is a matter of having beliefs?
that faith is atleast dependent on these beliefs You believe that? Just kidding
If your spirituality is belief based, then how is that anything but faith in your own mind?
I understand what you are saying.
I believe I may not know the answer to that.
I can easily say yes, because I “believe” I know nothing other then what I have been “conditioned” to know. But that is even debatable. Unless I could somehow experience my existence with a variety of backgrounds and compare notes, all I can say is “I believe”
One person may see the heart as nothing more then a mussel and one may see the heart as something more unique like a fingerprint that you can’t see.
I “believe” we are all separated by what’s in our hearts. I can’t prove that, but I believe that.
Hey plum, remember that thread many months ago, early on after I just started posting here, and I gave you like 40 different translations of a scripture (I forget which one )? LOL...ahhh, the memories.
LOL! I most certainly do! The problem with my mind is it never wants to behave itself. I bet I spent at least 75 hours sifting through what you linked me to. I got off on the right track but it was a short track because I quickly came across other words that called out for my attention and took me in so many directions I forgot what I originally went there for.
I hate that. I’ve heard there is a pill for that. LOL!
I would love to talk to both of you… that would rock my world.
Why was this done? Because The Father had to place all of our sins onto Jesus Christ, and then The Father placed all of our punishment, all of the pain and suffering that we deserve for our sins, onto Jesus Christ.
The reason I have a hard time following that is because we never stopped being punished and never stopped suffering.
Jesus had to experience the torture of being separated from God that each one of us deserves, in order for our penalties to be paid for by Jesus.
Ok here I have to disagree because I don’t believe we deserve to be “tortured”. I believe that there had to be an exchange of faith. Adams faith, or lack of, was voided and replaced with Jesus. In order for it to be a valid exchange it had to be on a human level, not a “protected by holy spirit” level.
What was confusing to me was the idea that Jesus felt he had been abandoned and it was not obvious to him that things had to happen that way. He must have known ahead of time (I would think) that he would have to stand on his own faith alone. Then that thought leads me into other directions such as, Jesus still had a great advantage because he is the Son of God. Did Jesus remember his existence before his life on earth? Or did Jesus believe in his existence?
Jesus, on the Cross, experienced the pain that each and every one of us would have received
I use to believe that, except for the going to hell part. I don’t believe in a “hell” where bad people go. I do believe in some form of life after death.
If I come back as a cow I will be thoroughly pissed off!
My replies were made post by post so some things I would go back and change. I just left it as is.
Thanks everybody for all your great posts.