Poll suggests world hostile to US

by Simon 203 Replies latest social current

  • Simon
    Simon
    Stinkypantz: stop brownnosing Simon. You were right on in your first couple of posts and then you started backpeddling. He always lets people back on after he deletes them, sort of like God.

    I apologize for chickening out, but I know that if I disagree too strongly with Simon I'll get kicked off. Not fair, but it's reality and I am ashamed.

    This is bullshit. Plenty of people disagree with me very strongly and do not get kicked off. You are misrepresenting what I've said and done and I do not appreciate that. I do not class lies as disagreeing.

    If you take this as being anti-American then I have some really bad news for you:

    It's currently on the BBC news over here ... does this make the whole of the UK Anti-American now? It is because of a special programme being shown in the UK later tonight (on BBC2 if anyone is interested)

    Stop being so defensive when there is no need to be. No one is attacking you ! It's like some have a persecution complex.

  • larc
    larc

    Simon,

    I, for one, am not offended. As I stated in my earlier post, I simply don't care what the survey reports. We have known this for a very long time, and it simply doesn't matter to us, and we have no intention of fixing anything or changing anything, unless, of course, other countries stop buying our products, or don't give us access to their raw materials, then we will care.

  • jelly
    jelly

    I am begining to wonder if Simon is a troll.

    Terry

  • StinkyPantz
    StinkyPantz

    Well if people kept "misrepresenting" me and saying that I acted like I hated England, then I'd probably rethink my choice of words because they are giving the wrong impression, that is unless of course I really hated England.

    *Maybe I do have a persecution complex, but what if everyone REALLY is trying to get me? Ever consider that? Huh?*

  • Brummie
    Brummie
    *Maybe I do have a persecution complex, but what if everyone REALLY is trying to get me? Ever consider that? Huh?*

    I have considered it, then I did a poll on it and you are right to be concerned because the Poll suggests the world is hostile towards you stinky. (but thats most likely because you are an American)

    Brummie

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    Simon, I have nothing against you personally , I thank you very much for this site, you have done alot of us alot of good by making it happen. But as Princess said, you being the host, it does seem that we are in your home so to speak. And when you bring up topics that you have to know are going to cause divisions,,,,,,,, I mean in just about everyone you have started about Americans it turns ugly, it seems the thing to do would be to help us all get along. I know you have the power to ban us , and you moderate things,,,,,, so some times we are afraid to offend you by things we say. I know you are saying you are not going to ban someone for disagreeing with you,,,, but after these threads go on and on,,,,,,, people get upset and say things that get them so upset they leave, or they do get banned for losing their tempers.

    I remember it wasnt too long ago you asked that the war topics be toned down and suggested we talk about other topics.

    This is just my opinon, I know that..........but You, as owner of this site, a moderater of what is said and the one who has the power to ban someone,,,,,,maybe it would make it a better place if you made the American's here not feel like we are looked down on.

    I do realise you have the right to your opinion, but sometimes in life , like in business and parenting, etc. you have to be diplomatic to a degree,,,,,,,,,, if it looks like you are taking sides it just makes for an uncomfortable place.

    I have watched this board lately , lose alot of really great posters, ones that have so much to give , and I am totally upset over Princess leaving.

    This is just my opinion, maybe I am wrong for saying it, but it is how I feel.

    I am not talking about the debate about Americans really, or our government, but the divisions that are being causes here at a place that so many of us hold dear.

    Just an example of what I am talking about,,,,, I have 3 kids,,,,,,,,, if one of my children and I strongly agreed( right or wrong ) on our view, shared views, and we openly talked about it to the point of making the other two children feel they were wrong in their views,,,,,,,,,, can you see that it would make the home an umcomfortable place to be? I know we are not children here, but we all want to feel that we have value here at JWD, it is like our home in away. It is a place we have turned to , when we needed someplace to heal after JW.

    Personally, I dont care what your agenda is , as far as the USA goes,,,and it doesnt cause me to lose sleep even if you didnt love America......lol.....,,,,,but the things you have said about America, not just talking about this thread, has caused some great people to feel that this place is not comfortable anymore and have left.

  • StinkyPantz
    StinkyPantz

    Brummie-

    the Poll suggests the world is hostile towards you stinky

    I knew it!! And all this time people were saying I was sensitive. . .

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    OK Folks, here's my twopennyworth.

    Brits are generally of a benevolent inclination towards Americans. At the moment both America and our own UK government are being regarded with deep distrust by much of the population. Don't take it too personally, it always happens after a war.

    Simon and Searchfothetruth are both very critical of all governments, they would have been ideal to have on a student protest rally. Despite that, Simon was asking for trouble when he made those posts. When one person continually points out the faults in anothers country then the natives tend to get a tad pissy. Protestations of I'm only the messenger cease to work after the third or fourth message.

    Please note that I have made these opinions very strongly to both Kent and Norm also.

    And that, Ladies and Gents, is my humble opinion.

    Englishman.

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    This is whack.

    This is not about this board. This is not about Simon. This is not about ThiChi. This is about cultural differences.

    In Britian it's a cultural thing not to respect people in authority; can any one remember Spitting Image? A British puppet show savagely satarising British politics and royalty with hideous latex puppets. There's entire games shows based on satirical political humour. The UK press will build people up, and then knock them down. This willingness to satarise and criticise people in power extends beyond out boarders. Obviously there is a degree of nationalism involved, but we are, thank you, very busy laughing at our own country, as well as laughing at others.

    My experience of American media leads me to believe that Americans have a far more respectful attitude towards people in authority. Just as my previous paragraph is a generalisation, so to is that statement. But I do not know of any equivalent trends in humour; for example, one of the most fun things on a British chat show is watching American celebrities being interviewed. They tend to be so out of their depth, as they are not used to ribaldry and having the interviewer not cut them any breaks on account of them being famous. Sometimes (like Jim Carey the other night on Jonathan Ross) you get someone who can cope and more; Robin Williams is another good example. I don't think the Spitting Image format ever made it in the States, as many Americans simply don't find that sort of thing that funny. The political commentary we see in sketches on those rather vapid late-bight American chat show (Leno et.al.) is far less caustic than the British equivalent.

    Now on this board and other boards (you don't have to believe this), the chief differentiator between how Brits and Americans react to criticism, is Brits tend to agree with it, and Americans tend to take offense at it. I don't particulary care if the Republican Male Voice Choir agree with this characterisation or not. It's my opinion, and I've travelled enough and corresponded with enough people, in both Europe and America, and know that despite all these characterisations, Americans as individuals tend towards the polite, considerate end of behaviour.

    But there's a BIG humour gap, big enough to require me helping (as a student guide) some American students on their JYA realise that it wasn't that everyone hated them, but that interpersonal banter (taking the piss) was a staple of British humour, and something you only did with people you like.

    There is also a BIG gap in what is considered fair game as a conversational topic - whilst we parody our leaders and royalty in the most savage ways, there is this rather surprisingly subserviant respect shown to politicians and American royalty (stars). I don't recall any programme from the states that rip strips out of current affairs the way that British TV programs do. US papers are also far more pompous and portentous than UK papers as regards writing style.

    In base level attidue to our countries, there's a difference too; considering the above, it's not surprising that Brits will happily join in a moaning session about the UK, and bitch about all the things that piss them off. They don't feel insecure or insulted by not showing respect and deference to their country.

    Americans are conditioned to be more patriotic by their upbringings (flag salutes and up, lessons on citizenship, national anthems before sporting events; loads of differences), this higher level of patriotic fervour combined with a sense of humour that isn't used to personal attacks produces these kind of situations, where what Brits see as fair comment is taken by Americans as biased criticism.

    This patriotism is so bad that an American poster who I have asked for opinions regarding American funded terrorist activities (which are a matter of record, and which the individual must know of) has refused to answer; they are so patriotic, and so unwilling to accept criticism of their country that if they admit their country has done bad things (even if it's true), they will feel bad, unfaithful to their beloved America.

    Aside from cultural differences explaining why this topic inflames people, there are other factors. I think that the most powerful country in the world is bound to get more crticism than a small European country like Britain. It's an easy choice; if you want to be the de facto world power, take the criticism that comes with that. If you don't, file off the edges of the continental USA, shove it north, and call it Canada, or Norway, or some other country that isn't that important and doesn't get that much criticism.

    So humour, patterns of respect to those in the media eye, nationalism, and the importance of the USA all contribute to you poor Americans feeling so set upon. Get over it. America is a big country, which means it's dirty underside is bigger than most - but all countries have dirty undersides.

    I would encourage and applaud posters like Stinky; I think it would be wonderful for Americans to show more interest in international politics. Knock seven shades of shit out of the UK for all I care; if you're right, I'll agree with you. Let me get you started; women in prisons, equality in sentencing between men and women, institutionalised racism in police force, the 'welfare trap', public transport, the national health service, lap dog prime minister... that should get you going... I don;t mind admitting when my country is at fault. THAT'S the main difference.

    Hell, let's start with Belgium; nasty despotic colonialism in the Congo, and complicity in deportation of Jews. Corrupt government and police. The Netherlands? Living a multi-cultural fairytale at times. The things they do to tea are DISGUSTING. Horribly conformist; most boys between 16-24 have the same haircut. I forget whether it was Serbia or Rwanda where a Dutch UN force stood aside and let a towns men be shipped out to be massacred. France? Don't get me started. Sweden! Liberal bullshit, forced sterlilisation to pursue eugenic ideals.

    All of these are facts. Many of the things people post here about the USA are facts. If you don't like the facts, then get involved in politics and stop your country acting like that.

    Oh, I love Yeru's wonderful isolationist policy; my country right or wrong, doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks. Totalitarianly silly. Like, grow up. We share the same planet, however much you want to ignore the FACT.

    I also think I could duplicate ThiChi with a program;

    10 Goto http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/search.ashx

    20 Let y ='usa iraqi womd camp delta evolution weapons mass destruction bush lied to the world'

    30 Insert y in 'Query' CR

    40 Goto <result of query = a>

    45 Let a=a+1

    50 Goto 'Reply to topic'

    60 CTRL N

    70 Goto www.google.com

    80 Let x='usa bush right never wrong always justified ra ra ra god creation'

    90 Insert x in 'Search' CR

    95 Let z=1

    100 Goto <result of query 'z'>

    101 If <result of query 'z'> = <404 error> goto 40

    102 If sum <result of query> =<z goto 40

    105 Let z=z+1

    110 CTRL A

    120 CTRL C

    130 ALT-TAB

    140 CTRL V

    150 Goto 'Submit Post'

    160 Goto 'Reply to topic'

    170 ALT-TAB

    180 Goto 100

  • Cassiline
    Cassiline

    Thank you Abaddon

    I can say this with utmost confidence, I always enjoy reading your opinion. You always offer a view many would not see if it were not for your knowledge base, which I must say is impressive.

    Sincerely

    Cassi

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