True Bible Doctrines part 2

by hooberus 32 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • hooberus
    hooberus

    hamas said:

    The Qur'an is a compilation of the "Divine Revelations" that were received by Prophet Muhammad, over a period of 23 years, through the arch angel Gabriel. The Prophet used to recite whatever he used to hear. His companions used to write down whatever he recited. The Qur'an does not contain the writings or teachings of Prophet Muhammad, as often mentioned by some misinformed authors

    "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8-9

    "And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
    For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified." 1 Corinthians 2:1-2

    "He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. And they remembered his words," Luke 24:6-8

    "Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. Luke 24:45-48

    Surah 4:157 And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. Quran

  • Hamas
    Hamas

    John 14:26:

    "But the Paraclete, the Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you."

    My opinion is that this is a person.

    In the older MS, Codex Syriacus discovered in 1812 on Mount Sinai by Mrs. Agnes S. Lewis (and Mrs. Bensley), the text of John 14:26 reads; "Paraclete, the Spirit"; and not "Paraclete, the Holy Spirit". "The Spirit" is a reference to "the Spirit of Truth" as in 15:26.

    In 1 John 4:6, the terms "the spirit of truth" and "the spirit of error" are used for the human beings

  • Hamas
    Hamas

    Im off to bed, will comment tomorrow man. Its almost 1 am

  • DJ
    DJ

    Geeeeez Hamas, where do you live? 1am? It going on 10 here! I can't see your reasoning at all because IF Jesus was speaking about Mohammed as the comforter...wouldn't Mohammed then atleast follow Jesus teachings and the apostles? From what I understand the Muslim faith only casually mentions Jesus and refers to Him only as a prophet, right? That would mean that Mohammed disagreed with the bible and what is says about Jesus. Surely, the apostle John would not have agreed with Mohammed. He called Jesus the Son of God and God in the flesh. dj

  • hooberus
    hooberus
    hamas said: My opinion is that this is a person.

    Yes, the Holy Spirit is a person, the third person of the Trinity.

  • Hamas
    Hamas

    Jesus, God's honourable prophet, didn't say he was God in flesh. He didn't even say he was God's son.

    To lift Jesus to the position of God, alongside the holy spirit, is a falsehood, in my opinion.

    The doctrine of the trinity defiles logic.

  • hooberus
    hooberus

    hamas, if the Old and New Testaments taught the full diety of Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and that Jesus was both Gods Son and God manifest in the flesh, would you believe it?

    Do you believe that Jesus was crucified as both the Old and New Testaments teach?

  • hooberus
    hooberus

    hamas said:

    In the older MS, Codex Syriacus discovered in 1812 on Mount Sinai by Mrs. Agnes S. Lewis (and Mrs. Bensley), the text of John 14:26 reads; "Paraclete, the Spirit"; and not "Paraclete, the Holy Spirit". "The Spirit" is a reference to "the Spirit of Truth" as in 15:26.

    The codex Syriacus is an early 5th century Syrian translation. We have much older manuscripts of John. The term "Holy Spirit" is in these.

    http://answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Foretold/mehera.html

    Meherally makes a great fuss about the fact that in the Codex
    Syriacus
    refers to this verse as "But the Paraclete, the Spirit"
    again the point is not clearly made, but Meherally somehow assumes
    that this disqualifies the Holy Spirit as being the object of
    reference without stating how. So why is it translated as "Holy
    Spirit" ? It is of even greater interest to realise that their are
    manuscripts of the Gospel of John that predate the aforementioned
    Codex, these manuscripts contain the text "Holy Spirit" , this also
    ties in with later on in the gospel of John when Jesus tells the
    disciples to receive the Holy Spirit John 20:22. This fact rules out
    any confusion made by Meherally to question the identity of the
    Paraclete as so clearly presented in John 14:26.

  • Hamas
    Hamas

    I believe that just as the Old Testament fortells the arrival of Jesus Christ, likewise the New Testament fortells the arrival of Mohammed.

    The bible is open to so much debate, I think that is why God felt the need to send out another prophet, the final prophet ; Mohammed.

    if the Old and New Testaments taught the full diety of Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and that Jesus was both Gods Son and God manifest in the flesh, would you believe it?

    The Old and New Testaments do not teach this. If I were to ask you , ' If the Old and New Testaments taught that only 144,000 people go to heaven' would you believe that ? Yet this is what some people teach.

    Do you believe that Jesus was crucified as both the Old and New Testaments teach?

    He may well have been.

  • hooberus
    hooberus

    hamas, the Bible says that Jesus was crucified in fullfillment of prophecy. The Quran is wrong when it says:

    Surah 4:157 And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. Quran

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