Tell that to the victim!
Texas Windshield Murder Trial Begins
by TresHappy 186 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Realist
tell what to the victim?
show me where i stated that dangerous individuals should be released back into society?
also don't you find it a tad drastical to execute child molesters? not even the conservative right is supporting that idea.
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wednesday
http://www.carmical.net/articles/deathpenalty.html
This article is very good and address the reasons for death penalty.
I will look for some articles regarding use of death penalty for sexual molestation. I feel it should be used for violent sexual abuse, as i have stated.
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Realist
wednesday,
did you look at the statistics i posted? what do you think about it? and suppose they are correct would that change your opinion?
i am reading the article you posted but imo it uses pretty shaky logic obviously borrowed from the bible:
On the other hand, if the abolitionist argues that killing is always wrong, then he must also concede that killing in self-defense is unacceptable and should be punished. Few, if any, however, are willing to do so. The abolitionist may choose to argue that the state should never kill. But consider also the scenario of protecting someone else's life. Are police officers (the state) justified in killing attempted murderers to save a victim's life? If the answer to this question is yes, then no moral arguments will stand up against the death penalty.
the guy is comparing apples with oranges here. in case of self defense you protect your life. in case of killing someone on death row noones life is protected or rescued. it is a sensless act of violence.
Morality is defined as "the principles of right and wrong." As moral creatures, humans deserve praise for good deeds, and punishment for bad ones. Punishment may range from a slap on the wrist to death, but the punishment must fit the crime.
right and wrong is not an unchangable universal law. it depends on the culture. it largly developed in order to allow a complex society to function properly.
and what law (except for the bible) says we deserve punishment? punishment is sometimes necessary as tool to fit people into society but it has no end in itself. especially a death penalty has no teaching effect.
In reality, the murderer actually gets off easy when he is sentenced to death in the United States.
the problem with lethal injection is the stress before the killing takes place. that it causes no physical pain does not help much.
and the electric chair can be extremely painful where people suffered for several minutes.
3. The death penalty condemns the innocent to die.There is absolutely no proof for this statement. Before any person is executed in this country, twelve members of a carefully selected jury have to decide -- beyond a reasonable doubt -- that a defendant is guilty.
this is a plain wrong statement as all the articles i posted prove with hard numbers. especially the illinois cases are not so long ago that anyone can claim this only happened in the past.
4. The death penalty is not a deterrent against violent crime.
if it does not work as deterrent than what is the point of capital p.????
The death penalty as a deterrent to crime is not the issue. Capital punishment is, pardon the redundancy, a punishment for crime. As a punishment, the death penalty is 100% effective--every time it is used, the prisoner dies. -
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wait a second ...does that mean you attest me having had a brain previously?
i think this woman is not a bad person but frightened. but for me personally it doesn't matter whether she is a horrible person or not.
punishment should never be the goal of the justice system. the goal should be the protection of the normal citizens and the resocialization of the criminal (abnormal) individual.
Frightened lasts a few minutes, what she did was monsterous!. Show me someplace where this "Resocialization" theory of yours really works...oh, that's right, IT DOESN'T. Punishment and the protection of society are both GOOD REASONS to put someone in jail. She shoul get life. You should be forced to live in a neighborhood of "Resocialized" sex perverts and serial killers, and drug dealers. THE CRIMINAL ISN'T THE VICTIM but the AGGRESSOR, this explains your warped view on the Israel/Palestine situation. Oh, that poor criminal...screw him/her.
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yeru,
before making an unqualified post read everything posted so far!
i never said dangerous individuals should be released!
fact is that criminal actions are caused by internal neuronal problems and thus hate and revenge is not the way to deal with the problem.
as to the case with this woman - why did she let the man die? what were her motives if it was not fear of getting punished?
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wednesday
as to the case with this woman - why did she let the man die? what were her motives if it was not fear of getting punished?
She had many things to worry about. She used pot per her own testimony, 3x day, used alochol, and now used X. She had being caring for patients, elderly defenless people, in this stae. She drove on the roads in this state. She viloated many laws. She put many peoples lives in danger. She was worried abut her own arse, as she knew she was violating the laws. She acted only out of her own selfish interest. Most people could not have done what she did. Only a cold blooded killer or a very psychotic person could have done that. Since no one broujght up mental illness, and she appeared intact during the trial, i can assume her defense felt she was sane. Punishment for crime does work as a deterent. it is only b/c criminals know our justice system is so lack that that do not fear it. If they knew that they would do the time, whatever, it would help. They realize they stand a pretty good chance of getting away with it b/c of bleeidng heart liberals that want to give criminals more rights that the victims. Just like children, if they know their paretns do not agree on their punishment, they know they stand a good chance of not really facing consequences for their behaviors. Children are smart, they know when parents consistenly carrry out rules , and if they don't , they will viloate rules. Ask any parent.Criminals know they probably won't do hard time and figure it is worth the risk.
I do admit the idea of an innocent man is hard to deal with. But i still believe that our jury system tries very hard to make sure that it does not happen. I do not thiink the small amout of actual innocent individuals is so great that it negates the entire idea of a death penalty.
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wednesday,
I do admit the idea of an innocent man is hard to deal with. But i still believe that our jury system tries very hard to make sure that it does not happen. I do not thiink the small amout of actual innocent individuals is so great that it negates the entire idea of a death penalty.
step back for a second and look at the evidence. On one hand we have statistics showing clearly and undisputed that innocent man were put on death row (dispite the efforts to prevent this from happening) and that in many cases incompetent layers were responsible for people getting on death row just because the layer missed important evidence. On the other hand we have No statistics proving that capital punishment reduces murder rates! Again, the states with CP have a HIGHER crime rate than the ones without! (exception wash.DC).
so by just looking at the actual facts without letting feelings and believes interfere how can you still defend CP?
She had many things to worry about. She used pot per her own testimony, 3x day, used alochol, and now used X. She had being caring for patients, elderly defenless people, in this stae. She drove on the roads in this state. She viloated many laws. She put many peoples lives in danger. She was worried abut her own arse, as she knew she was violating the laws. She acted only out of her own selfish interest. Most people could not have done what she did. Only a cold blooded killer or a very psychotic person could have done that. Since no one broujght up mental illness, and she appeared intact during the trial, i can assume her defense felt she was sane. Punishment for crime does work as a deterent. it is only b/c criminals know our justice system is so lack that that do not fear it. If they knew that they would do the time, whatever, it would help. They realize they stand a pretty good chance of getting away with it b/c of bleeidng heart liberals that want to give criminals more rights that the victims. Just like children, if they know their paretns do not agree on their punishment, they know they stand a good chance of not really facing consequences for their behaviors. Children are smart, they know when parents consistenly carrry out rules , and if they don't , they will viloate rules. Ask any parent.Criminals know they probably won't do hard time and figure it is worth the risk.
this pretty much shows what i tried to explain previously. human beings have no truly free will. we are highly complex biorobots that act according to the settings in our brain. this woman made the completely wrong choice because of fear for punishment as you said. she did that to save her own ass from punishment. in a normal functioning brain the ethical impulse would have overwritten the fear impulse. in her case this did not happen. to put it simply...she has a "programming" error (perhaps because of taking drugs) that makes her dangerous to society perhaps even in the future. she should therefore be kept in detension until it can be decided whether she poses a future threat or not. but she should not be treated/punished this way because of hate and desire for revenge since inflicting suffering on a human is not the answer.
also, personally do you think she would have acted differently if the possibility of a death sentence instead of "just" life in prison was there? i HIGHLY doubt it since her action was probably not the result of a rational thinking processes to begin with.
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wednesday
Do u sleep Realist, it must be night in Aussie, lol.
Again, I point to, criminals know our justice stytem is lack and know they stand a very good cance of getting away with murder.
As far as the innocent, no system is perfect, and we can only do the best we can. Our goal is not to coddle the criminal, but to make it safe for law abididng people to live without undue fear.
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Realist
wednesday,
this is austria in europe
Again, I ppint ot, criminals know our justice stytem is lack and know they stand a very good cance of getting away with murder.
you mean if all 50 states would have CP criminals would be more impressed and crime rate would go down?
greetings from vienna!