the real truth said this at her other thread:"Now answer me this, since it refers to Jesus as "a god", then is Jesus a true God or a False God???"Dear the real truth,The book of Isaiah chapter 9:6 shows us that it was foretold in this Messianic prophecy that Jesus Christ would be called "Mighty God":
ISAIAH 9:6:" For there has been a child born to us; there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."
Jehovah God is The ALMIGHTY TRUE GOD. Jesus Christ is Jehovah God's only begotten-Son/God. Jesus Christ is a TRUE MIGHTY GOD.
Christian Love,
AAF
Questions about Jehovah's Witnesses that I need answers to
by the real truth 38 Replies latest watchtower bible
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AwakenedAndFree
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badolputtytat
Dear real truth, it might help if you expand a little. Why do you ask the question? Of course there are more than one god... If the hebrew God Jehovah is a "jealous" god, then it stands to reason that he is not alone, right?
According to christian belief, the nazarene or christ, is a liason to god. I dont think it is a matter of true or false god, where this christ is concerned. Christians do not pray TO the christ... but THROUGH it.
But I think you will not find a simple answer to that question (depending on how you are asking it)
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Answers
Since everyone else seems to have not a clue on the question, here it is. You want to know whether Jesus is a false god or a true god.
1. The title god is not the be all and end all, it is simply a title meaning 'mighty one'
2. The verser at John 1v1 in the original greek speaks of the word (logos) being 'theos' , the word theos means divine. Thus John 1v1 is saying Jesus (the word) is divine. Since someone who is divine and God's Son is aptly a 'mighty one' he can be described as 'a god' with a small g as it is accurate. As opposed to the true God, with capital G. Thus Jesus is not God, but simply a 'god', Paul spoke of many gods and many lords, as these are titles only.
See if that helps.
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peacefulpete
Awakeand be free....Check the archives ( my history)for a thread I started about Is.9:6,7 and why it does not refer to Jesus.
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AwakenedAndFree
Dear Peacefulpete,
I checked the archives pertaining to the topic you referred me to.
I am sorry, but I do NOT agree with your viewpoint/interpretation of Isaiah 9:6. I strongly believe that this whole Scripture refers to the Messiah!
Isaiah 7:14 proves the "son" been born is Jesus Christ, the Messiah!
Isaiah 7:14:" Therefore Jehovah himself will give you men a sign. Look! The maiden herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Im-man-u-el."
Christian Love,
AAF
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blacksheep
Actually, I think the original poster asks a fair question. And no one seems to be addressing it. I'm no theologian, but, clearly, I know that even the JWs, using their NWT of course, make a big deal about the true god versus all the "false gods." I don't see ANY scriptual backup (sans the maze of JW interpretation) supporting the idea that there are somehow "degrees of gods." Either they are "true" or they are "false." No middle ground. ESP is this idea supported in the OT. All those evil gentiles worshipping "false" gods.
And to the person (obviously a JW) who quoted "A mighty god," prince of piece *eternal father*... do you REALLY think that it makes sense to refer to Jesus Christ as an "eternal father?" Sounds awfully almighty-god-like to me. Hmmm...
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blacksheep
“The book of Isaiah chapter 9:6 shows us that it was foretold in this Messianic prophecy that Jesus Christ would be called "Mighty God":
ISAIAH 9:6:" For there has been a child born to us; there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."
Oh, and I forgot to mention the paradox about the capitalization of “God”. Here, with reference to Jesus Christ, we clear have all caps, “Mighty God.” Along with the “eternal father” nomenclature, this clearly demonstrates a glaring inconsistency with the JW’s trying to interpret Jesus as “a god.” Hmm…they don’t seem to quibble about caps and articles denoting nouns (i.e. "a") here. Care to explain? Care to explain the concept of “I am the only true God?” (referencing of course, Jehovah). But then we also have Jesus as a “Mighty God” (caps and all).???
Really, as I said, I’m no theologian. But I certainly believe JWs “a god” doctrinal issues and “supporting” backup is one of their weakest (and IMO there are many weak links).
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JCanon
If you want to understand John 1:1 you have to simply consider the special circumstance that "god" is both a position in heaven and the "title" of the Creator. So when making a reference to Jesus being "god", an ultimate being in the universe as far as power and greatness, "god" being the most the language offers, John used that term to apply to Jesus but qualified it by acknowledging that God the Creator was present and thus there were two gods. Thus John 1:1 is merely stating that in the beginning God created another god and thus there were two gods; the Father greater than the son, of course.
Translating this as "the Word was a god" diminishes John's point.
The only other issue is that Jesus being a co-god with the Creator does not conflict with any other scripture regarding Jesus; i.e, that he is an archangel, Michael, and the first and foremost creation of God the Father.
Finally, even if the translation of John 1:1 is complex and hard to understand when translated, the other scriptures clarify just who Jesus is. That is, John 1:1 would not preempt the other scriptures that indicate Jesus is the first creation of God and Michael, the archangel. John 1:1 just lets us know he is a co-god with the Father from the beginning.
Canon
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Ravyn
JWs believe that Jesus is the Son of God.The way they interp the John 1:1 dilemna is that "a god" is just his substance...as in "a spirit creature". They do not give Jesus any "godship" as it is understood by other christian religions. So the short answer to your question is NO JWs do not believe Jesus is the true God (or god). Only Jehovah is God, and He happens to be Jesus' Father which makes Jesus a spirit creature, therefore their interp of the nomer "a god".
Trying to argue with them about the divinity of Jesus and his equality to the True God and part of a 'godhead' is useless and irrelevant. Like comparing apples and oranges as far as they are concerned.
Ravyn
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UnDisfellowshipped
Francois,
Your explanation about the JW's believing "God" is different from "god" is not always true -- notice these two Verses in the NWT which refer to Jesus:
Isaiah 9:6: For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
John 20:28: In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”
Also, the Watchtower claims that Jesus is only The Mighty God, but Jehovah is The Almighty God.
But, in Isaiah Chapter 10, JEHOVAH is called The Mighty God:
Isaiah 10:20: And it will certainly occur in that day that those remaining over of Israel and those who have escaped of the house of Jacob will never again support themselves upon the one striking them, and they will certainly support themselves upon Jehovah, the Holy One of Israel, in trueness.
Isaiah 10:21: A mere remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God.Also, notice these Verses in the NWT Reference Bible -- Who has Godship?
Colossians 2:9: because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality [Footnote: Lit. "godship"] dwells bodily.
Romans 1:18: For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way,
Romans 1:19: because what may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them.
Romans 1:20: For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable;