TIME TO IMPLEMENT THE GARYBUSS PHILOSOPHY!

by Dansk 60 Replies latest jw experiences

  • RAYZORBLADE
    RAYZORBLADE

    Dansk, excellent post and it was good to draw from GaryB's previous post.

    We've heard it over and over and over again.

    If one ever thinks that a Judicial Committee is loving: you've got another thing coming.

    As one family after another is dismembered, thrown into deliberate disarray, we try to rationalize with our JW mindset (previous/present) that they (the elders) were doing the right thing; or the loving thing. Please, think again!

    Amazing posted his story of exiting the JWs. I believe it is posted on Randy's board (exjws.net). It is a long read but WOW! what a story. It'll have you on the edge of your seat, but you can see the witch hunt building as time went on.

    They are out to Disfellowship you. If you are reproved, don't kid yourself, you're going to be not only watched like a hawk, but marked, and members of the congregation that may have one time associated with you, will lovingly (gag...cough) have either limited contact with you, or none at all.

    Loving indeed.

    If you are asked to go before a JC (Judicial Committee) it's up to you. But if you attend, you are recognizing their authority, whether you believe that or not.

    Thanks to (((Jesika's Sister))) for words I'll never forget. Don't play by their rules!!

    Trust us on this one!

    You'll get support and unconditional love here as well as on some of the other ex-JW boards.

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    The concept held dearly by many is that "they" are victims. They are not. They are perpetrators who have found a nurturing environment from which to perpetrate. They will continue with impunity until we refuse to give them permission to perpetrate any more.

    Change is inevitable. That which most needs changing yells, "Don't change me!". Something labeled "Truth" is automatically suspect. I have never seen that which is true, labeled "true".

    Here are some tools for analysis:

    SHERMER'S TEN QUESTIONS FOR BALONEY DETECTION

    In 2000 Michael Shermer co-produced and co-hosted a 13-hour television series for the Fox Family Channel called Exploring the Unknown. The opening line of every episode was: "Things are not always what they seem when you are exploring the unknown!" Things are not always what they seem because we do not live in a black and white world of unambiguous yeses and noes.

    We are faced here with what philosophers of science call a "boundary problem"—where do we draw the boundary between orthodox science and heretical science, or between science and pseudoscience, or science and nonscience? The boundary is the line of demarcation between these geographies of knowledge, the border defining these countries of claims. The problem with this geopolitical analogy is that where rivers and mountain ranges, deserts and seas help geographers demarcate the boundaries, knowledge sets are fuzzier. It is not always clear where to draw the line. Whether a particular claim should be put into the set labeled science or pseudoscience will depend on both the claim and the definition of the set. But when we encounter a particular claim there are some questions we can ask.

    1. How reliable is the source of the claim?
    Scientists are usually reliable; pseudoscientists unreliable. As Daniel Kevles showed so effective in his book The Baltimore Affair, in investigating possible scientific fraud there is a boundary problem in detecting a fraudulent signal within the background noise of mistakes and sloppiness that is a normal part of the scientific process. The investigation of a particular set of research notes in a laboratory affiliated with Nobel laureate David Baltimore (and run by Imanishi Kari) by an independent committee established by Congress to investigate potential fraud, revealed a surprising number of mistakes. But science is messier than most people realize. Errors and sloppiness in raw data happen. The question is: can a distinction be made between intentional and unintentional distortion of the data and interpretations? Baltimore and Kari were exonerated when it became clear that there was no purposeful data manipulation.
    2. Does this source often make similar claim?
    Pseudoscientists have a habit of going well beyond the facts, so when one individual makes numerous such claims it is a sign that they are more than just iconoclasts. Again, this is a matter of quantitative scaling, since some great thinkers often go beyond the data in their creative speculations. Cornell scientist Thomas Gold is notorious for his radical ideas, but he has been right often enough that other scientists listen to what he has to say, and those same scientists are also testing these ideas for their validity. Gold's book, The Deep Hot Biosphere for example, proposes the heretical idea that oil is not a fossil fuel at all, but the by-product of a massive subterranean colony of bacteria living in rocks. Hardly any earth scientists I have spoken with take this thesis seriously, yet they do not consider Gold a crank. Why? Because he plays by the rules of the game of science. What we are looking for here is a pattern of fringe thinking that consistently ignores or distorts data.
    3. Have the claims been verified by another source?
    Typically, nonscientists and pseudoscientists will make statements that are unverified, or verified by a source within their own belief circle. We must ask who is checking the claims, and even who is checking the checkers. The biggest problem with the cold fusion debacle, for example, was not that Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischman were wrong; it was that they announced their spectacular discovery before it was verified by other laboratories (at a press conference, no less), and, worse, when cold fusion was not verified anywhere they continued to cling to their belief in the phenomenon despite the lack of evidence.
    4. How does this fit with what we know about the world and how it works?
    An extraordinary claim must be placed into a larger context to see how and where it fits. When pseudoarchaeologists claim that the sphinx was built over 10,000 years ago by an advanced race of humans (because the sphinx shows signs of water weathering that could not have happened after the end of the last ice age), they are not presenting any context for that earlier civilization. Where are the rest of the artifacts of those people? Where are their works of art, their weapons, their clothing, their tools, and their trash? This is simply not how history or archaeology works.
    5. Has anyone gone out of their way to disprove the claim or has only confirmatory evidence been sought?
    This is the confirmation bias, or the tendency to seek confirmatory evidence and reject or ignore disconfirmatory evidence. The confirmation bias is powerful and pervasive and is almost impossible for any of us to avoid. It is why the methods of science that emphasize checking and rechecking, verification and replication, and especially attempts to falsify a claim, are so critical. There is so much evidence against cold fusion, for example, that all but a handful of die-hard physicists, chemists, and hopelessly optimistic futurists long ago gave up conducting further research. Yet the purveyors of "infinite energy" (there is even a magazine of this title) cling to the slimmest of experimental results and blithely sweep the disconfirming evidence under the rug of conspiracy theories where, for example, oil and electrical conglomerates are said to be preventing the positive evidence from reaching the American public.
    6. Does the preponderance of evidence converge to the claimant’s conclusion, or a different one?
    The theory of evolution, for example, is proven through a convergence of evidence from a number of independent lines of inquiry. No one fossil, no one piece of biological or paleontological evidence has "evolution" written on it; instead there is a convergence of evidence from tens of thousands of evidentiary bits that adds up to a story of the evolution of life. Creationists conveniently ignore this convergence, focusing instead on trivial anomalies or currently unexplained phenomena in the history of life.
    7. Is the claimant employing the accepted rules of reason and tools of research, or have these been abandoned in favor of others that lead to the desired conclusion?
    UFOlogists suffer this fallacy in their continued focus on a handful of unexplained atmospheric anomalies and visual misperceptions by uninformed eyewitnesses, while conveniently ignoring the fact that the vast majority (I estimate 90 to 95 percent) of UFO sightings are fully explicable with prosaic answers.
    8. Has the claimant provided a different explanation of the observed phenomena, or is it strictly a process of denying the existing explanation?
    This is a classic debate strategy—criticize your opponent and never affirm what you believe in order to avoid criticism. But this stratagem is unacceptable in science. Proponents of the pyramids as being built by pre-Egyptians offer no evidence of just who these people are, and instead just pick at anomalies in the work of Egyptian archaeologists. Critics of the Big Bang ignore the convergence of evidence of this cosmological model, focus on the few flaws in the accepted model, and have yet to offer a viable cosmological alternative that carriers a preponderance of evidence in favor of it
    9. If the claimant has proffered a new explanation, does it account for as many phenomena as the old explanation?
    The HIV-AIDS skeptics argue that lifestyle (drug use or promiscuity, coupled to a correlation with a naturally-weakened immune system), not HIV, causes AIDS. To make this argument they must ignore the convergence of evidence in support of HIV as the causal vector in AIDS, and simultaneously ignore such blatant evidence as the significant correlation between the rise in AIDS in hemophiliacs just after HIV was inadvertently introduced into the blood supply. On top of this, their alternative theory does not explain nearly as much of the data as the HIV theory.
    10. Do the claimants' personal beliefs and biases drive the conclusions, or vice versa?
    All scientists hold social, political, and ideological beliefs that could potentially slant their interpretations of the data. The question is: how do those biases and beliefs affect the research? It is true that even the most well-intentioned scientists may find themselves searching for facts to fit their preconceptions. But at some point, usually during the peer-review system, such biases and beliefs are rooted out, or the paper or book is rejected for publication. This is why one should not work in a vacuum. Intellect stumbles and falters without critical feedback. If you don't catch your biases in your research, someone else will.

    http://merlin2.alleg.edu/employee/h/hmccull/fs/danders/shermer.html

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    Another good tool for critical analysis.

    http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html

    One opened, more to go...Operation Clambake present:

    Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit



    Based on the book "The Demon Haunted World: Science as a candle in the dark" published by Headline 1996.

    The following are suggested as tools for testing arguments and detecting fallacious or fraudulent arguments:

    • Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts
    • Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.
    • Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").
    • Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.
    • Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it's yours.
    • Quantify, wherever possible.
    • If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work.
    • "Occam's razor" - if there are two hypothesis that explain the data equally well choose the simpler.
    • Ask whether the hypothesis can, at least in principle, be falsified (shown to be false by some unambiguous test). In other words, it is testable? Can others duplicate the experiment and get the same result?

    Additional issues are

    • Conduct control experiments - especially "double blind" experiments where the person taking measurements is not aware of the test and control subjects.
    • Check for confounding factors - separate the variables.

    Common fallacies of logic and rhetoric

    • Ad hominem - attacking the arguer and not the argument.
    • Argument from "authority".
    • Argument from adverse consequences (putting pressure on the decision maker by pointing out dire consequences of an "unfavourable" decision).
    • Appeal to ignorance (absence of evidence is not evidence of absence).
    • Special pleading (typically referring to god's will).
    • Begging the question (assuming an answer in the way the question is phrased).
    • Observational selection (counting the hits and forgetting the misses).
    • Statistics of small numbers (such as drawing conclusions from inadequate sample sizes).
    • Misunderstanding the nature of statistics (President Eisenhower expressing astonishment and alarm on discovering that fully half of all Americans have below average intelligence!)
    • Inconsistency (e.g. military expenditures based on worst case scenarios but scientific projections on environmental dangers thriftily ignored because they are not "proved").
    • Non sequitur - "it does not follow" - the logic falls down.
    • Post hoc, ergo propter hoc - "it happened after so it was caused by" - confusion of cause and effect.
    • Meaningless question ("what happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?).
    • Excluded middle - considering only the two extremes in a range of possibilities (making the "other side" look worse than it really is).
    • Short-term v. long-term - a subset of excluded middle ("why pursue fundamental science when we have so huge a budget deficit?").
    • Slippery slope - a subset of excluded middle - unwarranted extrapolation of the effects (give an inch and they will take a mile).
    • Confusion of correlation and causation.
    • Straw man - caricaturing (or stereotyping) a position to make it easier to attack..
    • Suppressed evidence or half-truths.
    • Weasel words - for example, use of euphemisms for war such as "police action" to get around limitations on Presidential powers. "An important art of politicians is to find new names for institutions which under old names have become odious to the public"

    Above all - read the book!

    Further resources:

    Less serious sites:

  • run dont walk
    run dont walk

    Excellent post Dansk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I've been saying for a little while that GaryBuss is great to have around, he is on top of things. Keep it going Gary.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Thanks Dansk and Gary ... some very useful posts

  • Dansk
    Dansk

    Hi Everyone,

    I'm bringing this post back to the top in case any of you missed some of the excellent comments here - especially from Gary himself.

    There are a lot of new members posting on the forum of late, which is wonderful to see. JCs are a frightening prospect, so it's important to take control yourself. Remember

    DON'T ATTEND A JC unless you want to be treated like garbage!

    If you're new here and trying to fade you've already taken a giant step in taking control. Congratulations!

    Dansk

  • Simon
    Simon

    I think the way the WTS intimidates people, especially lone women, is despicable.

    Perhaps it's time we evened things up a bit? Imagine if the three elders turned up to find themselves outnumbered by some rough looking apostates (we'd dress up for the occasion naturally!). Maybe they'd think twice before pulling the stunt again.

    "If you need help and if you can find them, maybe you can contact the A-Team"

    A=Apostate, naturally

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    On the point of rejection:

    My sister and I have been rejected by our father. The reasons are not JW-related, and it is too long of a story to go into now, but the reasons are unjust, unfair and unloving. He literally turned his back on his own flesh-and-blood, meaning that my sister and I are basically orphans, since our mother died 22 years ago.

    Being rejected by a parent is excruciating. It tears apart your perceptions of yourself, of relationships and of life itself. Due to previous brain-washing, it was hard to get around the concept that it wasn't your fault. A child naturally looks to its parents for validation and love. When this validation and love isn't given, then the child naturally thinks it must be at some kind of fault. No matter what age we may be physically, this basic instinct is still a part of us.

    For a while you feel like a victim. Because you are. But to stay in the victim mentality isn't healthy. With time you need to accept that 1) yes, you've been rejected, 2) you didn't want to reject them, and thus it's not fair, and 3) life has to go on. Change in life is inevitable and rejection by a family member is a huge adjustment to one's life, hard as it may be. However, refusing to adapt to that change only prolongs the hurt of rejection. Acceptance that life has to go on regardless, means that you are taking responsibility for your own actions and your reactions.

    Part of this is to figuratively hand over the hurt back to the one who hurt you. Not by deliberately hurting them, but to refuse to allow that pain of rejection to negatively affect your life anymore. It was their decision to reject you, not vice versa. So, let them see the consequences of their actions. Yes, your children may have to live without a grandparent, but at the same time, the grandparent is missing out on spending time with a new generation. So it's more their loss than yours. Don't beg to stay in their life. Get on with your own. They say that the best revenge is to look good and to be happy, and I believe in that. If there is nothing you can do to change the situation you are living in, then you have to accept what you have been dealt with and make the most of it. Pining away for what will never be will not change things, nor will it make you any happier.

    These are conclusions I have come to over the 15 years or so since being rejected by my father. Compared to some who have recently left the JWs and thus rejected by friends and family, I feel like I'm an old hand at this. Maybe I am. I like to think I am a testament to the fact that you can survive family rejection and come out stronger for it. It hasn't been easy but who said it would be?

    The main thing is this: Life sometimes hands us deals that we don't want. How we deal with what has been given to us is up to us. Gain control over your life, and you will be much happier as a result.

  • little witch
    little witch

    Well put, Prisca...

  • Dansk
    Dansk

    I believe the following quotes by Prisca should be branded onto all our hurting hearts:

    to stay in the victim mentality isn't healthy. With time you need to accept that 1) yes, you've been rejected, 2) you didn't want to reject them, and thus it's not fair, and 3) life has to go on. Change in life is inevitable and rejection by a family member is a huge adjustment to one's life, hard as it may be. However, refusing to adapt to that change only prolongs the hurt of rejection. Acceptance that life has to go on regardless, means that you are taking responsibility for your own actions and your reactions.
    Part of this is to figuratively hand over the hurt back to the one who hurt you. Not by deliberately hurting them, but to refuse to allow that pain of rejection to negatively affect your life anymore. It was their decision to reject you, not vice versa. So, let them see the consequences of their actions.
    They say that the best revenge is to look good and to be happy, and I believe in that.

    I can honestly say Claire and I have already been implementing all of the above. We have taken control of the situation and now if our daughters and friends old acquaintances wish to talk with us it will be on OUR terms.

    A terrific post, Prisca. I'm truly sorry for your pain, but your experience has helped give us a heads up. There's no need for anyone here to feel crushed and defeated. On the contrary, our truthful actions - our integrity - make us the winner.

    Dansk

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